06-30-2004, 13:59
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enough.
discuss shooting or discuss it somewhere else.
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06-30-2004, 14:02
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[i]Are you criticizing the Team Sergeant's shooting?
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Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen if you might take a suggestion from a geriatrics warrior who has had a lot of experience working with team sergeants, the one thing you do not want to do is ever, ever, ever, ever, criticize the team sergeant. You see the team sergeant runs the team and everyone else is sort of a guest. If, for instance, you think that the team sergeant has a slight flaw somewhere in some obscure skill set, unless you want to find yourself demonstrating your expertise in that skill set or "assisting" the team sergeant in rising above this alleged flaw you best recognize that the team sergeant did not become the team sergeant because he got his credentials off the back of a cheerios box but did in fact rise to all the challenges put before him dispite what you might percieve to be a flaw. Just a suggestion.
Jack Moroney-educated by a lot of Team Sergeants 
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06-30-2004, 14:03
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we were just funnin' TS...
alright...
What did you find was the most difficult part of shooting (consistently) for you RL? For me, it has always been a jerky a trigger pull. I have had to do a lot of dry fire trigger pulls with a penny rested on the front site to overcome my "jerk".
Team sergeant-
What drills do you find are best to train the muscle memory for pistol shooters?
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06-30-2004, 14:40
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Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
One thing I will say is that neither of these pistols had been zeroed before these shots were taken.
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Adjustable sights?
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06-30-2004, 14:42
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Originally posted by Razor
Adjustable sights?
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My HK Expert has them, the HK compact does not.
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06-30-2004, 14:56
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I remember the first time I shot a .22 bolt action rifle (first time with a rifle, only shotgun experience before). For some reason I didn't notice the hole in the front of the chamber in which you slide the round, so I frustratedly kept trying to put the round in the bottom of the rifle and then close the bolt...
Finally I saw the hole, looked around to make sure nobody had seen me being an idiot, and got on with shooting.
I was very young at the time, at least...
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06-30-2004, 15:00
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Re: we were just funnin' TS...
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Originally posted by Sacamuelas
alright...
What drills do you find are best to train the muscle memory for pistol shooters?
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I like to review the 8 fundamentals of pistol marksmanship during a dry fire session, just prior to shooting a variation of the 1st Session of SFAUC markmanship. I use this session myself when I've been unable to get to a range in a while and on anyone new to the team that I want to assess. I also modify this a bit for a warmup on viturally every range.
8 fundamentals:
Stance, Grip, Sight Picture, Sight Alignment, Breath Control, Trigger Control, Follow Through, & Recovery
Dry fire 5-10 minutes from position 3 to position 4
5 meters, Slwo Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 15 rounds, 3 inch dots
5 meters, Ball and Dummy **, 5 rounds, 3 inch dots
5 meters, Slow Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 15 rounds, 3 inch dots
7 meters, Slow Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 15 rounds, 3 inch dots
7 meters, Ball and Dummy **, 5 rounds, 3 inch dots
7 meters, Slow Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 15 rounds, 3 inch dots
10 meters, Slow Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 45 rounds, 6 inch dot or 25 meter pistol tgt
15 meters, Slow Aimed Fire, Double Action/Single Action, 45 rounds, 6 inch dot or 25 meter pistol tgt
** note the responsibilty of the coach/loader during BAD firing is to observe the shooter (pistol) to see if any errors in fundamentals can be seen and not to watch for where the bullet impacts.
This works for me and the guys on my team. The variation I use to warm up on virtualy every range is this course without the ball and dumm.
By the way, we outshot all other teams in general markmsanship and stress event during 2/10s last SFAUC training.....just a little brag!
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06-30-2004, 15:01
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Re: we were just funnin' TS...
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Originally posted by Sacamuelas
What did you find was the most difficult part of shooting (consistently) for you RL? For me, it has always been a jerky a trigger pull. I have had to do a lot of dry fire trigger pulls with a penny rested on the front site to overcome my "jerk".
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1. Jerky trigger pull.
2. Keeping gun steady/establishing rhythm for second shot. My left hand would occasionally come off the pistol after firing.
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06-30-2004, 15:08
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Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Ball and dummy drill
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IMO, the single most important drill one can do to develop basic pistol maksmanship. When I am in charge, its how we start our day.
Be very careful with this drill boys and girls, if not performed correctly, it can hurt someone. Especially coaches.
That is an excellent group for V&P, well done counselor.
Saca, the TS' group probably looks the same at 25 meters from the holster and so fast you can't see him move.
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06-30-2004, 15:08
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Re: Re: we were just funnin' TS...
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1. Jerky trigger pull.
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Anticipating recoil.
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2. Keeping gun steady/establishing rhythm for second shot. My left hand would occasionally come off the pistol after firing.
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Some call it the 60/40 grip. 60% grip with the non-firing hand...40% grip with the firing hand.
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06-30-2004, 15:14
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mff - I like your drills, its basically the same as we do. Why do you do the slow aimed fire before the V&P?
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06-30-2004, 15:14
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Thank you mffjm. 
I need to start shooting shorter "more likely" pistol ranges when I practice. I started shooting myine at 15 paces (16 yards). Of course, my groups didn't look like RL's.
I found it REALLY made me pay attention to fundamentals if I wanted to have groups.
What stance were you shooting from RL?
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06-30-2004, 15:20
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Originally posted by Sacamuelas
What stance were you shooting from RL?
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Standing, both feet pointed at target.
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06-30-2004, 15:22
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3-5, 3-5, 3-5
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06-30-2004, 15:30
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ROTFLMAO - What is the title of this thread? Only two choices:
Most likely the name of the stance was "Proper AF" as in "Shooter, assume a Proper Aggressive Firing Stance."
The second choice would have involved a jungle boot and the stud's 4th POC - if he comitted a safety violation.
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