04-08-2007, 10:58
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Hey Daver,
I plan on attending SFAS in January, how is the weather at Camp Mackall during that time of year? Never been to NC, actually havent been more north than Georgia lol; except for a few hunting trips to Montana dont have much expierence with the cold.
(wanted to post here rather than create new thread)
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04-08-2007, 11:04
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there seems to be a common thread here...
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Bring ISSUE gear to SFAS.
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just in case you missed the point, TR means that SFAS isn't the prom...you don't need a tux, you don't need new shoes...the stuff that got you through basic will do just fine...just don't show up with the body you had in basic...
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04-08-2007, 11:37
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Hey Daver,
I plan on attending SFAS in January, how is the weather at Camp Mackall during that time of year? Never been to NC, actually havent been more north than Georgia lol; except for a few hunting trips to Montana dont have much expierence with the cold.
(wanted to post here rather than create new thread)
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You must have thought I was kidding when I said not to post again. Now you can sit and read.
TS
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04-08-2007, 11:40
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Originally Posted by Jrome
Hey Daver,
I plan on attending SFAS in January, how is the weather at Camp Mackall during that time of year? Never been to NC, actually havent been more north than Georgia lol; except for a few hunting trips to Montana dont have much expierence with the cold.
(wanted to post here rather than create new thread)
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Complete lack of SA and a lack of respect. 
Bye bye, j.
TR
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04-08-2007, 15:28
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Asset
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Well gentlemen, ive followed this entire thread, and ive used the search function, but still have a specific question. The SFAS packlist states to bring BDUs or ACUs. I have two sets of each, BDUs from BCT, and ACUs were just recently issued. Would it be acceptable to bring both for a total of 4 uniforms? (i also have the corresponding boots, black for bdus, etc...)
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04-08-2007, 15:30
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Snake, what is the title and topic of this thread?
TR
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
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04-08-2007, 15:35
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Asset
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My mistake, wont happen again.
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04-08-2007, 15:55
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Sorry QP's!!!....
Sorry guys,
I opened a can of worms with some simple advice and a packing list...I think there are too many barracks lawyers who try to find/dig/conjure(sp?) up some sort of magical way to get through SFAS. I won't make that mistake again.
For anyone preparing for SFAS, good luck, do the best you can, and just do it. Follow the guidance from the men here, carry only what is on the packing list, quit trying to find a magical answer that just does NOT exist! If you quit in SFAS, you can't be selected regardless of the type of boots or how many BDU's you have, or your ruck times. The only magical answer I have for you...DON'T QUIT!
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04-08-2007, 22:08
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No worries, I just don't want the thread to drift too far off topic.
I am shocked that people cannot read that list and decide pretty quickly what they can bring.
Appreciate your input, as always Daver. 
TR
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
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04-09-2007, 19:02
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Thanks TR,
I believe when all of us more senior guys.....and all of those really senior guys..LOL..went through the SFQC, we didn't have this kind of access to information and discussion, but instead, relied on our own intestinal fortitude and desire to be the best on our own accord. These young men who try today are no less inspired and willing to sacrifice just like we were, but I think there is a misconception that we can supply them with the magic bullet that will help them make it. I don't have any high speed techniques or ideas...I'm old fashioned...get blisters..walk some more..let the blisters get a little bloody, pop them..put tincture benzoine (try not to scream like a girl!) in them and weld the flap of skin closed, and keep going....repeat as needed until feet are tough..oh yeah, carry a lot of weight. My dinosaur mentality usually worked when it came to carrying a ruck...and I'm not exactly a big guy..HaHa...that's why I say just do it! 
TR, thanks for keeping us all straight here....
"Do the best you can"
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04-09-2007, 22:06
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Daver - Thanks for throwing in on this one. Nobody can accuse you of not caring/trying. Sadly they don't seem to be listening. If they can't get a clue here, many of them will get to meet you in your "official" capacity - to their detriment.
Sluggos - this isn't a game. There are no "cheats" to get to the next level. The only way to succeed is "with your shield or on it". (We didn't need a cult movie to teach character - the lesson has always been there for those who care to learn.) That's what SFAS is about - an evaluation of your character. Rucking is one of the tools used to evaluate character (a surprisingly good one - as much as I hated every minute of it). The packing list sets a level playing field. Cheating is a reflection of character. Does everybody see a common thread here? Questions? I didn't think so. Peregrino
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04-09-2007, 23:49
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How long is SFAS?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
Still want to quit?
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04-10-2007, 04:49
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How long?
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How long is SFAS?
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NDD, some Sluggo is going to ask "Yeah, how long?"
People, it lasts as long as it takes for you to tell yourself "Get on the truck" or it ends when the nice soldiers tell you to "get on the trucks."
Until then "Ruck up and move out until somebody tells you to stop." Anything less and you are a quitter.
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04-10-2007, 06:38
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For many individuals, entirely too long, and they never reach the end. It is the ruckmarch that never ends, watch that first step, it's a doozy.
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Too many people are looking for a magic bullet. As always, shot placement is the key. ~TR
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04-10-2007, 07:23
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How long is SFAS?
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Until the Team Sergeant and the Team Commander decide to keep you?
Ruck woes? We got our 20K tomorrow. But, as has been stated elsewhere on this board, there is noone chasing you and there are no booby-traps on the trail. Embrace the PT like every other day.
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