Supplements

[BadMuther]

Razor hit the nail on the head with his first post.

I went through a "bulking phase" awhile back......I was taking in 350-450 grams of protein a day. I wasn't doing cardio in an effort to gain as much muscle as possible.

What was the outcome? I grew....alot. I was fucking big and strong.........and FAT!!!

I was also shitting CONSTANTLY, and wasting a lot of money.....a GALLON of water a day isn't shit with that kind of protein intake. I was constantly backed up.

I have not been to SFAS. I have read a lot of the same studies that Razor has. I'll tell you what you need for Ranger training...CARBS...lots of them...and water. I imagine it's the same for SFAS.

Protein supplements and weight training really don't have as much correlation with rucking as you might think.

[DoctorDoom]

So Deception, are you saying heavy cardio draws down energy stores so much that you are burning protein for energy? What about glycogen and fat stores?

No matter what, I still think that once you reach a metabolic maximum, taking in extra protein is just a waste.

Ok..

1.) Reaching max cardio is optimal, and I do a LOT of cardio, and I mean, LOTS, and when you do this, if you dont eat a lot, and supplement it with protein in low fat meats, etc, your muscle mass falls victim to your body looking to burn something

2.) I dont use supplements, so I dont need to worry about getting smoked, and besides, im expecting to get smoked, im not expecting to walk into SFAS being all super human and all that jazz, so no worries to me on the experience at SFAS, but thank you for your thoughts Reaper, they are noted and being taken into consideration.

3.) if you have a heavy cardio, heavy weights plan which involves rucking, elliptical, running, rowing, swimming, and focused weights on a set of your body per day, you burn a lot of calories

4.) Im not against eating a lot, you need to eat to keep going, and keep burning off the excess, calories fuel the fire, without calories, you go onto a crash diet and that is not wanted by anyone because in all eventuallity, you will gain what you lose back or fall into a very unhealthy diet.

5.) Lots of protein can be a waste, yes. I reccomend anywhere between 0.88 and 1.25 g of protein per body lb if you are on a heavy workout plan, and doing a lot of activity.

6.) I am in no way a supplement/weight training expert but I do know what works as I have lost well over 85lbs in under 6 months, in a HEALTHY way, not using a crash diet, and the weight still flies off, so you can take my opinions for what they're worth.

7.) Steroids, like in Reaper's reply, yes, are BAD, anabolics will mess you up beyond beleif, ranging from lack of endurance to sluggishness, and all the popular side effects like acne and erectile dysfunction, so....yeah, if you wanna bald early, have horrible skin, and...not please a woman like a man should be able to, go for the anabolics, just take the reccomended dose and not 10x the amount like most juicers do, that is the big mistake they make when they take steroids, is practically ODing on the substance but just enough to where they get the results they want, sad thing is though, once you come off anabolics, you lose muscle mass like its going out of style.

Different diets and plans work out for different people and everyone has their own style, right now, im in fat burn mode which is I take in 50% of the calories for what I burn per day and I get optimal results from this.

Hope that explaination was sufficient for the above comments in my other post.

Deception Out

[QRQ 30]

Deception, yesterday TM said to "stow it". You said: "Roger, Out!" which indicates you understand. Now try "Wilco"!!

BTW: BadMuther is right on. We used to take honey just prior to long swims and long runs. Candy bars are at a primium in Ranger School if they can hide and smuggle them.

[The Reaper]

Deception, you are an adult and may do as you wish. The Course will be the ultimate arbiter of your prep program.

I strongly suggest that the others who read this do not emulate your regimen, but simply eat healthy and follow the SFAS PT Prep Handbook program.

Good luck to all.

TR

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by QRQ 30
Deception, yesterday TM said to "stow it". You said: "Roger, Out!" which indicates you understand. Now try "Wilco"!!

I had the same reaction, but you are thinking of a different poster, Chaotic Virtuoso. Same issue, though!

[Sacamuelas]

Originally posted by Deception
I am a active bodybuilder and I take in a LOT of protein and 2gallons of water a day.
I wont even rant on supplements, personally ...you need to know what to take, how to take it, what cycles it, and in what dosage to be a real supplement wiz, which, from the post above, and this is me being nice, you need to do some research on the FDA standards of testing for potency and ingredients for what you think your taking.

99% of the time, a multi-vitamin will not cut it, unless its FDA approved for the ingredients it SAYS it has, and not what the BOTTLE says.



1.) Reaching max cardio is optimal, and I do a LOT of cardio, and I mean, LOTS, and when you do this, if you dont eat a lot, and supplement it with protein in low fat meats, etc, your muscle mass falls victim to your body looking to burn something

2.) I dont use supplements, so I dont need to worry about getting smoked, and besides, im expecting to get smoked, im not expecting to walk into SFAS being all super human and all that jazz, so no worries to me on the experience at SFAS, but thank you for your thoughts Reaper, they are noted and being taken into consideration.

3.) if you have a heavy cardio, heavy weights plan which involves rucking, elliptical, running, rowing, swimming, and focused weights on a set of your body per day, you burn a lot of calories

4.) Im not against eating a lot, you need to eat to keep going, and keep burning off the excess, calories fuel the fire, without calories, you go onto a crash diet and that is not wanted by anyone because in all eventuallity, you will gain what you lose back or fall into a very unhealthy diet.

5.) Lots of protein can be a waste, yes. I reccomend anywhere between 0.88 and 1.25 g of protein per body lb if you are on a heavy workout plan, and doing a lot of activity.

6.) I am in no way a supplement/weight training expert but I do know what works as I have lost well over 85lbs in under 6 months, in a HEALTHY way, not using a crash diet, and the weight still flies off, so you can take my opinions for what they're worth.

7.) Steroids, like in Reaper's reply, yes, are BAD, anabolics will mess you up beyond beleif, ranging from lack of endurance to sluggishness, and all the popular side effects like acne and erectile dysfunction, so....yeah, if you wanna bald early, have horrible skin, and...not please a woman like a man should be able to, go for the anabolics, just take the reccomended dose and not 10x the amount like most juicers do, that is the big mistake they make when they take steroids, is practically ODing on the substance but just enough to where they get the results they want, sad thing is though, once you come off anabolics, you lose muscle mass like its going out of style.

Different diets and plans work out for different people and everyone has their own style, right now, im in fat burn mode which is I take in 50% of the calories for what I burn per day and I get optimal results from this.

Hope that explaination was sufficient for the above comments in my other post.

Deception Out

I am not going to waste my time by making a rebuttal to each of the things you have "recommended" in your infinite knowledge.

I will suffice it to say that anyone that:

• who has lost 60lbs in the last SIX months(in a healthy manner of course),
• talks as if supplements are needed to "cut it" in one hand then claims he doesn't take that advice himself in the next post
• implies he is a health/nutrition guru by posting facts about protein metabolism and needed levels of intake that don't mesh with common physiologic metabolism pathways and principles

is full of .......well, it just makes my BS alarm go off.

I have used one supplement in my weight loss, Xenadrine EFX, thats it. and its in cycles because like anything, the body adapts to what you're taking, so you have to do it in cycles.

oh and, thank you for the infinite knowledge remark, except after thorough examination of my posts I never implied I have infinite knowledge, but if you wanna tag that on me, go for it.

Oh, and, Xenadrine EFX is ephedrine free, so, cheers on that, I dont need a pure energy booster than is going to run me a higher risk of cardiovascular disease or heart attacks, id like to live longer than that

Have a nice day

Deception

[BadMuther]

How old are you?

Your lack of knowledge is showing.

Ephedrine free Xenadrine has similiar effects on your body as the regular Xenadrine....

Both elevate your heart rate...one through ephedra and the other through increased caffeine.

If you are trying to lose weight, you don't do it by shoving in a bunch of protein supplements (ie extra calories).

18

and *sigh* I dont take protein supplements when I lose weight, it kinda..defeats the purpose.

and when you're coming down from 305lbs, losing weight is easy if you know how to do it.

and Xenadrine EFX and Xenadrine + Ephedrine are, similar yet different, both have results that show, just one gives me side effects I dont like. I get really jittery on Ephedrine, EFX doesnt do it to me.

Deception

[Razor]

Deception, you may want to visit this webpage:

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/apa/rc/weight.htm

I foresee many, many tape tests in your future, should you continue toward your goal of being a soldier.

Ive got all the time in the world to train, the luxury of being 18.

Cheers

Deception

[BadMuther]

I am glad that you are losing weight, but how in the fuck did you get to be that heavy?????

You don't have all the time in the world to be training.....

Figure, most guys on here were prolly fairly active on here as youngsters...and I'm guessing that you weren't. Which means that you will be going against other folks your same age who have spent years running, rucking, swimming, or playing other sports...they will have a head start on you.

FYI.

got that heavy from lots of weights, lots of football (lineman), and heavy eating to maintain my weight on the line.

back in the "days of old" I had a almost 1400lb max on a lateral leg press, because of how weight oriented I was, and what I took.

(Creatine Monohydrate, Protein, 1.5g a day, and power lifting)

They dont have that much of a head start on me, and whatever start they have I will make up.

Doesnt matter what kind of start they get if they're going to quit anyways.

I took that small fact into consideration when thinking that same thing about them being able to show me up.

I dont quit, and I wont quit. They will have to kick my ass out before I stop other people who have those couple years head start might not want it as bad as me, so anything can happen, right?

Deception

[Solid]

Deception- when are you looking to enlist?

Thanks,

Solid