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Instructor Slut!
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You mean whore, don't you? A whore will sleep with anyone, while a slut will sleep with anyone but you. 
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07-27-2006, 21:58
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You mean whore, don't you? A whore will sleep with anyone, while a slut will sleep with anyone but you. |
Are you getting paid?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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07-27-2006, 21:59
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I wasn't expecting cross-examination from you. LOL
C'mon, that's funny stuff.
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07-27-2006, 22:37
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Me thinketh sometimes the brain is the impediment.
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07-28-2006, 03:52
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Me thinketh sometimes the brain is the impediment.
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Yup, like over thinking / anticipating the shot.
Oh BTW Out-friggin-standing thread NDD!
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07-28-2006, 04:56
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How about this?
Great thread, NDD. |
I am right-handed, so I'm assuming that the mirror image of this chart is what I need. Which suggests that I am jerking the trigger. At 7-10 yds, my shots are usually in a tight group about 1.5-2" low and to the left of the bullseye.
How can I correct this? 
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07-28-2006, 07:08
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On a related by different topic - anybody know where I can find the Wheel of Errors for Left-handed shooters on the net?
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The wheel is also history.
RL, I didn't teach you all 8 factors because I don't believe they are needed for pistol marksmanship. You can shoot bullet holes through holes on demand, you think you're lacking some sort of training? 
NDD,
Your drills sound good, I'll add, start SLOW, VERY SLOW. Learn the movements so well you can do them blind folded, in your sleep, time and time again. Work up to speed, work hard on smooth actions not jerky. This is the reason for 10,000 times. For the novice shooters it must be done correctly because doing it 10,000 times wrong is hard to break 
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07-28-2006, 07:13
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I am right-handed, so I'm assuming that the mirror image of this chart is what I need. Which suggests that I am jerking the trigger. At 7-10 yds, my shots are usually in a tight group about 1.5-2" low and to the left of the bullseye.
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Quit jerking like a three year old.
The wheel is not a valid tool anymore.
If you can place a good shot on the bullseye and then you have a group "1.5-2" low and to the left of the bullseye" you have a "controlled jerk". (You will not find the term "controlled jerk" anywhere, I made it up.)
Dryfire 5 minutes everyday, with snapcaps, in a safe place. 5 minutes, everyday. Do it for a month then go to 10 minutes everyday for a month. Then go shooting again. I'll send you a bill.
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07-28-2006, 07:34
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thanks...
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07-28-2006, 07:36
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The wheel is not a valid tool anymore.
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why not...?
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07-28-2006, 08:18
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Quit jerking like a three year old.
The wheel is not a valid tool anymore.
If you can place a good shot on the bullseye and then you have a group "1.5-2" low and to the left of the bullseye" you have a "controlled jerk". (You will not find the term "controlled jerk" anywhere, I made it up.)
Dryfire 5 minutes everyday, with snapcaps, in a safe place. 5 minutes, everyday. Do it for a month then go to 10 minutes everyday for a month. Then go shooting again. I'll send you a bill.
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Okay, what are the best dry fire drills? Also, are there any visualization exercises that you'd recommend?
Thank you.
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07-28-2006, 08:29
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How about this?
Great thread, NDD. |
NDD also try here, about halfway down the page. They are in PDF format.
http://www.reloadbench.com/pdf.html
I am just a novice and tried to use the wheel, it did not work real well. I finailly found someone who was very good and had them watch me. With in 20 rounds my groupings got a whole lot tighter.
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07-28-2006, 08:30
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It was developed to aid in teaching "target style" shooting - e.g. blade stance, one hand, unsupported. It is still a valuable tool in that environment. Unfortunately it can't take into account/doesn't accurately reflect the influences of the modern two-handed aggressive combat stances. That and "progressive" teaching methods don't start out shooting bullseyes at 25 yds on a flat range. Modern methods are designed to quickly produce competent combat shooters capable of accurately/effectively engaging threats within the most probable ranges - depending on source of information usually listed as 7-15 feet out to 7-15 meters. It's effective (translate to read - it's quicker and cheaper than the traditional methods). (The merits of which are a debate better held over a pitcher of whatever you're paying for.) FWIW - Peregrino
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07-28-2006, 08:37
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Way outside my lane here but had to comment on this:
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Your drills sound good, I'll add, start SLOW, VERY SLOW. Learn the movements so well you can do them blind folded, in your sleep, time and time again. Work up to speed, work hard on smooth actions not jerky. This is the reason for 10,000 times. For the novice shooters it must be done correctly because doing it 10,000 times wrong is hard to break
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Dead right. Learn the proper technique; as slow as necessary but learn it correctly. The speed will come later. That's muscle memory for you. This works for anything.
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07-28-2006, 08:47
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Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.
As in racing, slow is smooth, and smooth is fast. Get the mechanics and the moves down perfectly first.
Speed is fine, accuracy is final.
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