07-04-2006, 20:35
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07-05-2006, 20:34
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Myth beater
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Originally Posted by FSU Bulldog
07-06? I heard that was a horrible class.   |
There were many myths crushed in class 07-06. The select rate was 36% active duty enlisted. The total class when NG and Officers are included was still only around 40%. That is low compared to recent classes. The class as a whole was not as good as the past few classes. The weather was HOT HOT, and WET, WET!
BLUF fellas if you're coming to SFAS;
1. Ruck your asses off... then ruck some more!!
2. Learn to walk in the woods with a compass. Yes, it still is important!
3. When you are doing team events....be a TEAM PLAYER. We will spot all you slackers, spotlighters, slugs, and duds. Trust me...ask those 36% guys why their buddies didn't make it!
4. If you want to be IVW..INVOLUNTARY WITHDRAWAL, go ahead and disrespect a CADRE or fail to follow the no shit safety instructions we give you. Failure to launch a flare because you were sleeping during which time 30 cadre were searching for you and 400 candidates stood in formation during a tropical storm (Alberto) until we had accountabilty is NO EXCUSE. Trust me, you will be on the short bus home that day.
5. Finally, don't quit. Old as time itself!
For those of you coming to class 501-06...The Summer class, bring your cameback. It's OK to have.
Good luck.
Daver out!
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07-05-2006, 23:04
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Thanks much, Dave.
If you want to pass go, listen to what The Man is saying, or BPT do it again.
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07-06-2006, 06:48
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Summer Advice
Guys in the Summer Classes - you are not superman - drink water!! I repeat, drink water - lots of it. During the heatwave of 1980 I went through Airborne School - we had a LOT of heat injuries - but the interesting part was about 50% were the instructors, trying to prove they were tougher than everybody else. Smart is better than tough, and a heat injury if severe enough can get you into a REMF job for the rest of your career.
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07-06-2006, 17:51
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Guys in the Summer Classes - you are not superman - drink water!! I repeat, drink water - lots of it. During the heatwave of 1980 I went through Airborne School - we had a LOT of heat injuries - but the interesting part was about 50% were the instructors, trying to prove they were tougher than everybody else. Smart is better than tough, and a heat injury if severe enough can get you into a REMF job for the rest of your career.
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X SF MED,
You are so right on this one. We managed to ONLY have 8 heat casualties from the last class and no heat stroke issues during team week. The cadre spent alot of time watching the candidates making sure they were taking care of themselves. However, like you said, drink lots of water and they aren't superman.....consider everything an assessment. Guys who had to be poked or prodded to drink were definately doing all they could to DE-Select themselves. We need smart, strong guys who play well with others and who realize that they are human as well. The July class will be crushing from a heat perspective (we hit heat Cat 5 everyday before 1020 Hrs during class 07-06) Candidates can expect Heat Cat 5 by 0900 everyday in July so be smart or you'll be on the shortbus home or to the hospital. Here is how it breaks down...Heat Cramps suck, but you'll RTD soon enough....Heat Exhaustion = 3 Month Profile, drop from SFAS and possible reclass to a REMF job or...... Heat Stroke = End of a possible SF career....if you're lucky you'll remain on active duty! IN ALL HEAT CASES, if a guy goes down in SFAS with a suspected heat related problem, he gets a thermometer inserted to check for BODY CORE temperature (it's not under the tongue either!) right there in front of everybody present. We don't take chances and we don't screw around, you'll get equal treatment from the medics.
If you're coming to class 501-06, start hydrating NOW. You can only ingest 12 quarts a day regardless of how much you exercise or work. More then that is bad for you. That information is straight from the head Fort Heat casualty expert. Get ahead of the powercurve or you'll be left behind...just ask the Class 07-06 guys.
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07-06-2006, 18:36
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Originally Posted by Daver
4. Failure to launch a flare because you were sleeping during which time 30 cadre were searching for you and 400 candidates stood in formation during a tropical storm (Alberto) until we had accountabilty is NO EXCUSE. Trust me, you will be on the short bus home that day.
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Yes, standing in formation for 5 hours. PLEASE, dont screw your buddies.
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07-06-2006, 18:58
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Yes, standing in formation for 5 hours. PLEASE, dont screw your buddies.
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Yes that sucks, however drawing attention to yourself by sniveling like a rat eating onions over something that at worst is inconvenient and at best character building is not a smart move.
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07-06-2006, 19:28
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Yes that sucks, however drawing attention to yourself by sniveling like a rat eating onions over something that at worst is inconvenient and at best character building is not a smart move.
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Roger.
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07-06-2006, 21:06
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ORS may taste like shit, but drink it anyway. Oral Rehydration Salts keep the electrolytes up, prevent cramping and help you survive the heat.
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07-06-2006, 22:14
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WM - in the olden days the only thing they'd let us have outside of issued food at Camp MacKall was Gatorade powder or Pedialyte powder to mix in every 4th canteen of water (remember that guys, don't overdo the electrolytes) so that we wouldn't go hydrostatic from electrolyte loss.
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In the business of war, there is no invariable stategic advantage (shih) which can be relied upon at all times.
Sun-Tzu, "The Art of Warfare"
Hearing, I forget. Seeing, I remember. Writing (doing), I understand. Chinese Proverb
Too many people are looking for a magic bullet. As always, shot placement is the key. ~TR
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07-06-2006, 23:43
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Hallucinations...
I found this site by chance and happen to read this thread. Thought is was funny that someone was discussing the plight of class 706 and even funnier that the night we stood in formation came up. I can stand tall as a survivor/grad of that class and tell you that not only did it happen but it continued to rain into the morning and once we wer finally released, we had to construct hooches to sleep in. It was comical at best as I recall one tired mofu just laying down in a puddle and instantly snoring. I can confidentlyh say that I was as fit as anyone there and it was no joke.
There were guys who were selected that did not train up and there were those that truly put in the time and got on the "short bus" to go home. I trained up and felt confident through most of it and would suggest taking that route. Read that book but more importantly just be 100% sure you want it, since that book will not do much for you in the middle (Where ever that was...) of a 30 mile ruck.
And if you think the cadre was joking about drinking water...try getting through without it...the medics will "rectal-fy" the situation for you. Seen it and it never before have I been so inspired to hydrate. Anyways sounds like a lot of good info being passed here, so to you guys that want in, take notes and train and be sure about what you want in life before you get off the bus because I saw a lot of good guys left out when they called out the names for those of us that were selected.
And to the former guys that run this thing...it is an amazing tool and I hope the guys who use it appreciate it and the time you put into help us out. As for the cadre that write in...I am still mad about that night in the rain...kidding. I knew the asshole that was out there sleeping and who failed to fire the SC. I had a blast an appreciate the effort, it was a life changing experience. Looking forward to everything ahead.
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07-07-2006, 03:42
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I found this site by chance and happen to read this thread. Thought is was funny that someone was discussing the plight of class 706 and even funnier that the night we stood in formation came up. I can stand tall as a survivor/grad of that class and tell you that not only did it happen but it continued to rain into the morning and once we wer finally released, we had to construct hooches to sleep in. It was comical at best as I recall one tired mofu just laying down in a puddle and instantly snoring. I can confidentlyh say that I was as fit as anyone there and it was no joke.
There were guys who were selected that did not train up and there were those that truly put in the time and got on the "short bus" to go home. I trained up and felt confident through most of it and would suggest taking that route. Read that book but more importantly just be 100% sure you want it, since that book will not do much for you in the middle (Where ever that was...) of a 30 mile ruck.
And if you think the cadre was joking about drinking water...try getting through without it...the medics will "rectal-fy" the situation for you. Seen it and it never before have I been so inspired to hydrate. Anyways sounds like a lot of good info being passed here, so to you guys that want in, take notes and train and be sure about what you want in life before you get off the bus because I saw a lot of good guys left out when they called out the names for those of us that were selected.
And to the former guys that run this thing...it is an amazing tool and I hope the guys who use it appreciate it and the time you put into help us out. As for the cadre that write in...I am still mad about that night in the rain...kidding. I knew the asshole that was out there sleeping and who failed to fire the SC. I had a blast an appreciate the effort, it was a life changing experience. Looking forward to everything ahead.
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right azimuth,
Fill out your profile and post what should have been your first post on this site in the introduction thread so that the members here know a little bit about yourself.
Bad form to march in here with the above post right off the start.
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07-07-2006, 06:35
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I can stand tall as a survivor/grad of that class and tell you that not only did it happen but it continued to rain into the morning and once we wer finally released, we had to construct hooches to sleep in.
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+1 for getting selected.
-2 for failer to follow instructions do you wish to continue.
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07-07-2006, 08:03
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Originally Posted by x_sf_med
WM - in the olden days the only thing they'd let us have outside of issued food at Camp MacKall was Gatorade powder or Pedialyte powder to mix in every 4th canteen of water (remember that guys, don't overdo the electrolytes) so that we wouldn't go hydrostatic from electrolyte loss.
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Same here, minus the powder. If it wasn't in the Mermited chow cans or your C Rat boxes, it was contraband.
We had good Tacs in my platoon, and after survival, they collected money, shopping lists, and made a run to the Food Lion in Southern Pines. They put a dozen big grocery bags on the picnic table behind the tarpaper shacks and told us, "There is unauthorized food in these bags. When we get back here in 30 minutes, it had better not be here and we had better not see any of it again. Dispose of it." Of course, we all made ourselves sick as dogs. I think I had a half-gallon of milk, a bag of Oreos, a six-pack of Snickers, and a bag of Nacho Cheese Doritos. It was fun while it lasted.
Hydrostatic? I thought all this time it was Hyponatremia.
Good thread.
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07-07-2006, 12:12
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WM - in the olden days the only thing they'd let us have outside of issued food at Camp MacKall was Gatorade powder or Pedialyte powder
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There are olden days and then there are olden days. Neither gatorade nor pedialyte existed in my day. We did have water and the dreaded salt tablet
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