LINE - Page 2

gtcrispy · 01-31-2006, 22:10

Like Surgicalcric said, it is taught during Phase 2. In Language they school they took volunteers then forced others to go through the course to meet their quota of 50 guys. I think they spent 2 weeks training for 4hrs in the morning before class and became LINE instructor qualified.

Warrior-Mentor · 02-01-2006, 01:36

[QUOTE=NousDefionsDoc]
This however, still cracks me up:
"Linear Infighting Neural-override Engagement System"
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It's a silly acronym and Ron will admit that. He named it Lines because the students train in lines. The acronym LINES came later...

resonant evil · 02-02-2006, 19:06

I first came across LINES while in the Corps. We did LINES 1-3 in MCT at Camp LeJeune, in '94. I went back for some TDY in '99 and went to his school for a couple of weeks. Did the instructor course at Bragg in '04.

Would I use any of it in a fight, I think your fight style is a culmination of everything you have learned and practiced, so uh... (OK maybe not the Line II stuff) A tool for the box, not everything is a top shelf grab.

Came in real handy as PT and motivational tool for the Iraqi Army. Very easy to teach! You get very good feedback from students, and you can teach alot of students. I think that is the biggest benifit.

Monsoon65 · 06-27-2007, 17:29

I just read in the AF Times that LINES is going to be taught to some of the Airman now. TACPs and SPs are being taught this program and I think it might open up to more. The big question was why the AF is adopting a program that the USMC and SF dropped in the past.

I'm all for teaching some sort of H2H to Airman. It's worth the time and money if it helps some guy getting jumped outside a bar while on leave or prevents a female Airman from being raped some night.

Leozinho · 06-27-2007, 17:48

I heard Donvito no longer has the contract to teach combatives at SWCS. Maybe someone will tell us what is being taught now.

NousDefionsDoc · 06-27-2007, 18:59

I will never understand why we feel we have to keep re-inventing this wheel.

x-factor · 06-27-2007, 19:02

Does anyone have any experience with or an opinion on the Dieter CQD system?

Surgicalcric · 06-27-2007, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Leozinho

...Maybe someone will tell us what is being taught now.

In the Echo course and the Delta course they were teaching grappling last I heard, which was current as of 2 weeks ago.

I concur with NDD.

Crip

504PIR · 06-27-2007, 19:53

x-factor,

I did Dieter's course in 05, its a very simple, reasonably effective system. Its not the end-all, be-all some folks say it is. But it is "another tool for the toolbox", decent PT, you will get your bell-rung doing it, overall if you have a chance to go....definitly worth doing.

3SoldierDad · 06-27-2007, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

In the Echo course and the Delta course they were teaching grappling last I heard, which was current as of 2 weeks ago.

I concur with NDD.

Crip

Yeah, I read somewhere that the grappling is a form of the Gracie brothers Brazilian Jujitsu...Hand-to-hand with lethal intent usually goes to the dirt for the choke. It's hard to beat the Brazilian Jujitsu school for that.

Monsoon65 · 06-27-2007, 20:04

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

I will never understand why we feel we have to keep re-inventing this wheel.

NDD: I agree. How come the services can't sit down and come up with something everyone can use? Something that can be tailored so you can go lethal or nonlethal, depending on the situation.

**The Reaper** · 06-27-2007, 20:33

The best one I ever heard about it was that the guy who usually wins the hand to hand fight is the one who has a buddy show up first with a loaded weapon.

I believe it.

TR

x-factor · 06-27-2007, 21:29

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Originally Posted by 504PIR

I did Dieter's course in 05, its a very simple, reasonably effective system. Its not the end-all, be-all some folks say it is. But it is "another tool for the toolbox", decent PT, you will get your bell-rung doing it, overall if you have a chance to go....definitly worth doing.

Yeah, I did it in mid-2005 too and that was my take on it pretty much exactly.

3SoldierDad · 06-27-2007, 21:38

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

The best one I ever heard about it was the guy who usually wins the hand to hand fight is the one who has a buddy show up first with a loaded weapon.

I believe it.

TR

A knife trumps a man's hands...a loaded weapon trumps a knife...

kgoerz · 06-27-2007, 22:12

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

I watched Ron with C/3/7 and Training Group and his skills were sharp. He also seemed to be a pretty good teacher.

The one thing was that he ran training at full speed and there were a lot of fat lips, busted noses, and black eyes, as well as the usual muscle aches and pains, but the application was pretty impressive.

TR

I was there. 1/2 the company couldn't pull a trigger the next week....ouch