01-15-2006, 16:53
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Originally Posted by kwu
I asked my brother who is in the Alabama NG about the types of boots you could bring to basic, he said that they're changing the uniform to desert style, and that you can no longer wear jungle boots, is that true? if so, any recommendation on good tan colored boots?
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Exactly.
The Army will issue you everything they want you to use till you get to a certain point in the Q Course.
If you make it that far, they will let you know.
Despite popular internet opinion, gear does not make the man, or the mission, the professional makes the mission regardless of the gear.
Most of the great soldiers I have been fortunate enough to serve with could come out of retirement with WW II gear and still hand you your ass.
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01-21-2006, 12:42
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Boots
I am just starting airborne school, but before we started a CSM from SF training came to talk to the 18X. He mentioned that many guys were having foot problems from the issued black boots. Did any of you guys going through notice this? I was planning on buying a pair of jungle boots to start breaking in on my own.
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01-21-2006, 13:18
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There are always foot problems associated with rucking long distances it seems. You will find it in SOPC, SFAS, PH-II, I would imagine Robin Sage as well if the individuals havent addressed the problem.
I dont know if I would blame the foot problems, as a whole, on the boots as much as improper socks, and insoles or the soldiers feet not being conditioned for the task at hand. Both of these have been discussed here before; a search should provide you with plenty of useful info. FWIW, I wore the ICB's, as well as Wellco jungles, during SFAS and didn't have a problem with my feet.
Proper sized boots, good socks and footbeds, and conditioning your feet to the weight and distance you will be walking are equally important.
HTH,
Crip
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01-21-2006, 17:37
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To back up what Surgicalcric said. You need to consider the weather conditions as well. I was thankful I had my ICBs during my Jan SFAS class because the temperatures dropping down below 10F. They kept my feet some going completley numb. The jungles are nice for ruck marching because they are lighter. Most guys modify the soles as well. I had good luck with the Fox River boot socks. Sure I still got some blisters through SOPC I and SFAS but it was nothing that took me completley out of commission.
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01-21-2006, 18:03
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Get Selected
Buy the book Get Selected. It covers all aspects of foot care, boots, how to lace them, inserts, etc. It's a wealth of knowledge you cannot afford to miss if you are going to attempt SFAS. 
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12-19-2006, 17:52
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running with the ruck
In the sticky, it says that you should try not to run, and I have heard this from other places too. It never says why you should try not to run. Does anyone know why this is?
Thanks,
-PFC Altieri
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12-19-2006, 18:09
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Originally Posted by 18xray
In the sticky, it says that you should try not to run, and I have heard this from other places too. It never says why you should try not to run. Does anyone know why this is?
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it's not real good for your back...not real good for your knees....speaking as one who used to run with rucks and presently suffering from spinal arthritis...the knees ain't so good either...
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12-19-2006, 19:17
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Roger that CPT Steve - bad back, bad knees, callouses on the feet that you can drive 16d nails into about 1/2way before drawing blood.
Running with a ruck should be reserved for those occasions when the BGs are trying to do you harm.
running in boots should be done occasionally to get used to it.
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12-19-2006, 19:19
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As lksteve said
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Originally Posted by 18xray
In the sticky, it says that you should try not to run, and I have heard this from other places too. It never says why you should try not to run. Does anyone know why this is?
Thanks,
-PFC Altieri
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When people say run with a runsack most people think "Run" and try and put that view in their head into motion. It don't work and will only beat your body into pieces.
"Running with a rucksack" is more like moving from a fast range walk into an Airborne Shuffle type movement only a hair faster than the range walk. The trick is to run from the hips down, keeping the lower back and body level and straight. This keeps the rucksack from swinging and bouncing.
It's a good change of pace to be used now and again, and make up time here and there, but it will wear out your knees and thighs real quick.
Best to develope a solid stride and fast range walk pace. Be able to pound out mile after mile after mile. Disconect your mind from your feet and drive on. After 6 miles it's a mental game.
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