07-04-2005, 11:43
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Negative.
I know several people who have bought them here.
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Interesting - Not that I can afford to feed a machine gun or have any good place to play with it, so I'm not interested in acquiring one myself. I knew suppressors were legal with the right permits and a CLEO signature, but I was pretty sure machine guns were prohibited to private citizens. I must have misread the pertinent portions of the law. The passage I use(d) for quick reference is attached below. I know - it's a summary and probably not complete. Peregrino
http://nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=NC
NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT FIREARMS
It is unlawful for any person, firm or corporation to manufacture, sell, give away, dispose of, use or possess a machine gun.
Machine guns are any weapons that shoot, are designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manually reloading by a single function of the trigger. The term also includes the frame or receiver of the weapon, any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machine gun, and any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
Excepted from this prohibition are:
1. Banks, merchants, and recognized business establishments for use in their respective places of business, provided they apply for and obtain a license from the sheriff for the possession of a machine gun to defend their business.
2. Members of the United States Army and law enforcement officers while discharging official duties, and members of the militia and State guard when called into actual service.
3. Any resident of the state who owns a "war relic" or souvenir and reports its presence to the clerk and sheriff and keeps the machine gun on his own property.
Weapons kept for scientific or experimental purposes and registered with the appropriate Federal Agency.
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07-04-2005, 11:47
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Interesting - Not that I can afford to feed a machine gun or have any good place to play with it, so I'm not interested in acquiring one myself. I knew suppressors were legal with the right permits and a CLEO signature, but I was pretty sure machine guns were prohibited to private citizens. I must have misread the pertinent portions of the law. The passage I use(d) for quick reference is attached below. I know - it's a summary and probably not complete. Peregrino
http://nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=NC
NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT FIREARMS
It is unlawful for any person, firm or corporation to manufacture, sell, give away, dispose of, use or possess a machine gun.
Machine guns are any weapons that shoot, are designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manually reloading by a single function of the trigger. The term also includes the frame or receiver of the weapon, any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machine gun, and any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
Excepted from this prohibition are:
1. Banks, merchants, and recognized business establishments for use in their respective places of business, provided they apply for and obtain a license from the sheriff for the possession of a machine gun to defend their business.
2. Members of the United States Army and law enforcement officers while discharging official duties, and members of the militia and State guard when called into actual service.
3. Any resident of the state who owns a "war relic" or souvenir and reports its presence to the clerk and sheriff and keeps the machine gun on his own property.
Weapons kept for scientific or experimental purposes and registered with the appropriate Federal Agency. |
"Weapons kept for scientific or experimental purposes and registered with the appropriate Federal Agency."
Undefined further.
I am an experimenter. All my automatic weapons will be registered with the BATFE. Therefore, I am allowed to possess them.
TR
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07-31-2005, 13:02
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here's one for you Huey, you know you want it
http://www.machineguns.co.nz/products.shtml
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07-31-2005, 14:28
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Damn, I musta missed this because I was out in the mountains on our annual Machinegun Shoot !!!
Hell, I own 2 !!! Huey & Peregrino, you must have missed this one:
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ead.php?t=1705
Later
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07-31-2005, 14:35
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$300,000 for one of the half-dozen or so civilian transferrables in the US.
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Available, legally, in Europe for c. 20000 £.
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07-31-2005, 20:08
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Available, legally, in Europe for c. 20000 £.
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A Mini Gun?? I am gonna need proof of this one dude 
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07-31-2005, 21:06
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You're damn right I want it! The legality is a bit...grey though. 
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07-31-2005, 21:36
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Available, legally, in Europe for c. 20000 £.
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In which countries?
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08-01-2005, 01:21
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In which countries?
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In Finland, there are a few other countries that allow private select fire ownership but im am not 100% familiar with the exact particulars.
There are several larger companies that sell a wide variety of military weapons, in the UK, Holland and Switzerland for example.
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08-01-2005, 08:13
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In Finland, there are a few other countries that allow private select fire ownership but im am not 100% familiar with the exact particulars.
There are several larger companies that sell a wide variety of military weapons, in the UK, Holland and Switzerland for example.
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Yeah - But Finland has a proud tradition of "rugged individualism" and a recent memory of going at it "tooth and nail" with the Russian Bear (and IIRC, bloodying him pretty badly). I can readily understand why the Fins might encourage miniguns in the basement. Might also explain your suppressor business.  Peregrino
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08-01-2005, 10:09
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One of our local ranges sponsors a FULL auto shoot. I would love to own a Ma Deuce, but I would need to take a 2nd on the house to afford one. The ammo is getting cheaper, about a dollar a round. Consider that hunting bullets for my 339 are about $1.00/bullet, then powder and primer, the 50 cal has gotten reasonable to shoot.
Also there are 9mm full autos and 9mm is about $110.00/1000 rds.
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08-01-2005, 14:59
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AM, you really know how to rub it in! 
I cannot get near any of my department's "select-fire" weapons let alone own one.
I remember when I was going through the academy in the mid 80's one of the Sergeant's there had an M60 (guess he paid $11,000 for it back then). He "accidentally" placed slides of his "girl" in with the slides on homicide investigation and by the end of the presentation the subject changed to M-60's. Never really learned what to do after you have found the body though.  I did learn allot about the "pig" however so all was not lost.
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08-01-2005, 15:27
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We have a small group of guys up here that shoot together. One or two of them have the necessary paperwork approved and have the full auto weapons. I like shooting them as long as I don't have to pay for the ammo.
J/K. I pay for what I shoot.
Doc
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08-01-2005, 15:41
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[QUOTE=MAB32]AM, you really know how to rub it in!
I remember when I was going through the academy in the mid 80's one of the Sergeant's there had an M60 (guess he paid $11,000 for it back then)./QUOTE]
I built mine at about that time (as seen in the pics in the link I mentioned above) and have less than $1K in it !!! 
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08-01-2005, 19:07
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AM,
I really would of been better off not knowing that too. 
I suppose you have 5 extra barrels, thousands of links and a tripod too and it only cost you $150!
Doc,
I thought you were going to throw an invite my way this summer?
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