02-28-2004, 15:26
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NDD,
So, you want to jump my Jedei 120? Reserve is a Raven 135-M.
C'mon, pick it up, I dare you. 
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02-28-2004, 15:49
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Oh, and just for reference for the new guys. When you go to MFF School, they will give you a class on canopy characteristics, including speed of foward drive. I don't know if they're still using the MT1XX, but the class I got was "The foward drive of the MT1XX is approximately XX miles per hour."
They don't tell you a couple of things. First, when you land with the rucksack, that number is somehow squared. Don't ask me how, but you will be going at least, AT LEAST, Mach 1 when you hit the ground. Second, if you cut away your main, the reserve's forward drive is cubed what the main was and to a power of ten if you have any other problems or cannot avoid landing on the concrete.
They also give you a rate of descent. If you are NOT over the DZ or any other clearing, the rate of descent doubles for every 100 feet you're short to the next clearing. And I have been told that the R of D slows by half and all forward drive stops when you are being shot at from the ground while under canopy.
They also tell you that if you pull the little red thing, there is a device which will "instantaneously" assist in deploying the reserve. The word "instantaneously" is obviously a very relative term. In my experience (HAHO cutaway at about 17k), it takes at least, at least, 7 days for the reserve to deploy.
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They use the MC-4, which is the same 375 square foot canopy, main and reserve.
The rate of descent and forward drive are also driven by the weight of the jumper, brother NDD, which means that you and I, along with Jerry and Dale, are in a class only exceeded by No Go Rotundo. I guess when you are over the section of woods that stick out into the middle of Sicily DZ, all laws are repealed.
As the instructors say, when you have a parachute malfunction, you have the rest of your life to work it out. I survived a mid-air entanglement over Mackall AAF myself.
Billy L:
Saw your credits at the end of the piece. You are very good at what you do, hermano.
TR
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02-28-2004, 16:35
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NDD,
So, you want to jump my Jedei 120? Reserve is a Raven 135-M.
C'mon, pick it up, I dare you.
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I'd jump anything anybody else would that's relatively my size, when I was jumping. It was a way for me to get to work and that's all. I have NEVER made a sport jump in my life. Every one was with military gear for a military reason. I hated every one of them and I quit just before every one. Ask Jaime.
However, if you think you are going to frighten me with your hankerchief, you are mistaken. I should have been dead by '92 at the latest. As I have been living on borrowed time for ever a decade anyway, I'm not afraid of shit.
Except clowns, women with big hands and Adam's apples.
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He knows only The Cause.
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02-28-2004, 18:48
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However, if you think you are going to frighten me with your hankerchief, you are mistaken. I should have been dead by '92 at the latest. As I have been living on borrowed time for ever a decade anyway, I'm not afraid of shit.
Except clowns, women with big hands and Adam's apples.
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Hell NDD, I never expected to see 1972 !!!! And then I made close to 900 Sport jumps on everything from 28' 7TUs to Delta II Parawings with a few early '70s Para-Planes and Clouds thrown in. My regular canopy of choice was a Para-Commander with a Tri-Con reserve.
That reserve saved my ass twice. Once, a streamered main (the deployment broke my collarbone) and once from the door of a Cessna 195 at around 100 FEET when the engine quit and I departed the aircraft. We found the reserve ripcord handle inside the wreckage.
Jumping is relative. It is far safer than the drive any of us make to work every day !!!
Later
Martin
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02-28-2004, 18:57
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We found the reserve ripcord handle inside the wreckage.
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Holy CRAP!
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He knows only The Cause.
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02-28-2004, 19:13
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AND, I'm STILL HERE !!!!
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02-28-2004, 19:32
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AND, I'm STILL HERE !!!!
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Unless this is an alternate reality, or a bad episode of "The Twilight Zone".
Maybe we are all actually dead people in the PHA, waiting for an afterlife.
TR
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02-28-2004, 19:40
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Maybe we are all actually dead people in the PHA, waiting for an afterlife.
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We need a new PEHA then.
NDD, just jerking your chain a bit, not trying to piss you off. Oh, our OPSEC guru on the other site? I can have a name, Company, and BN on Monday if you want. I work with a guy that's in his BN. Maybe even get some email addys for his CoC.....
Just a thought.
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02-28-2004, 19:43
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Thanks, let's see if the lesson is learned. If not...
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He knows only The Cause.
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02-28-2004, 19:52
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Roger that. Let me know if I need to pull the trigger.
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