Acog's and CQB

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by BadMuther

TR, when you look through an ACOG are you saying that the view is normal until you focus on the target??

I don't look through the ACOG until the reticle is on the target.

TR

[BadMuther]

For the TA-31, you should mount it out as far from the eye as eye relief will allow, maybe one notch further, practice tracking targets with both eyes open and not looking directly at the target through the optic. When you see the dot over the target, stop and focus on looking through the tube at the target and reticle. Basically, you get the reticle floating like a dot sight while scanning, and you "zoom in on it" when you stop and look at the target through the reticle. Works great for me.

This was the part that was confusing me Sir. Specifically, "practice tracking targets with both eyes open and not looking directly at the target through the optic. "

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by BadMuther

This was the part that was confusing me Sir. Specifically, "practice tracking targets with both eyes open and not looking directly at the target through the optic. "

You can see it, you just don't focus on it.

TR

[GackMan]

BM - you wouldn't happen to be left eye dominant, would you?

[Cincinnatus]

TR,

I'm curious as to your opinion on benefits and tradeoffs of using an ACOG as a do everything optic on an M4, or in my case (being a civvy) an M4gery. If the right ACOG is chosen, and it's mounted in the proper position for optimal eye relief, how close is it to an EOTech or Aimpoint in terms of speed of targert acquisition?

I mounted a Loopy 1-4x on a rifle some time ago, after reading about COL Cooper's scout rifle concept. I apparently chose a suboptimal optic (LER vs. EER, or something) and while I could get good hits, it was never as fast as I'd hoped. Last summer I was fooling around with someone else's scout and his optic was MUCH faster, or rather I was much faster w/ the optic he'd installed.

Does a properly mounted ACOG offer the speed of acquisition of a red dot sight w/ the benefits of magnification when desired. If so, does the magnification matter greatly, i.e., is the 2.5x which COL Cooper recommended the ideal? Is the Compact ACOG (IIRC the tube diameter is the same as the Loopy Scout scope) as good a choice or is the wider FoV of the standard ACOG worth the additional weight of the optic.

TIA

[The Reaper]

Cincinnatus:

First, do some research here, and some background reading on the BAC. I do not have the time or inclination to repeat everything available elsewhere here.

I find the TA-31, which we are discussing here, with the donut reticle, just about as fast as a zero mag dot sight for me. Your mileage may vary.

IIRC, COL Cooper's recommendation is based on a standard crosshair reticle used as a scope is normally used.

I have made my preferences in optics known for various weapons on a number of threads here. Use the Search button.

Good luck.

TR

[Cincinnatus]

TR,

I tried to read all the archived posts before signing on to the forum and thought I had done so. I'll go back over them and post again if I still have questions.

From what I've read of COL Cooper's writings, you're correct that he was discussing a standard reticle. It's been awhile since I've read it, but I think I have the "Art of the Rifle" around here somewhere. IIRC, it was the COL's feeling that magnification greater than 2.5x was a detriment in a "Scout" type application. If the magnification exceeded 2.5x the ability to instantly interpolate and seamlessly switch focus, from scanning over/ through the optic, to the reticle was impaired.

My very limited experience suggests that this is correct. FWIW, the gent whose rifle I spoke of using above felt the same. He's a former SBS sniper, so I'm inclined to think he knows of what he speaks. I don't know to what degree this would carry over to the BAC.

Thanks again.

[bk1133]

I have a TA31F, with a red chevron reticle. It took me a bit longer to accomplish the BAC method. I don't shoot as often as I like. The red chevron stands out more than the donut, at least for me. Trijicons website has a simulation an explanation of the method.

[Psywar1-0]

After I went shooting with Basensukie's(yea Im mispelled it) Team Sgt, and watching him do CQB drills with an ACOG I went home and tried it myself. With enough training you can shoot both eyes open at close range with the ACOG NSN just as good as with an Aimpoint or Eotech.

It just takes range time. The added benifit of having a magnfied optic when you really need it great.

Its good to see that the old Dr Optic on top of an NSN idea from ARFKOM has made its way over to the Mil side of the house.

[soldierboy3502]

Badmuther,

I used the TAO1NSN for CQB at the start of OIF. What helped was the iron sights on top. I've also used the EO Tech in the past and its perfect for CQB. Anyways, a couple of the guys at work have their own personal NSNs and they all tend to focus on that front sight on the ACOG to get the job done. Utimately, if ur getting into anything that might bring your target closer than 5 or 10 meters, then all you really have to do is point and shoot...lol. But I agree with you about your sight. ACOG is a great optic.

[The Reaper]

SB:

Thank you for your service.

Please read the stickies and introduce yourself in the proper place before you post further.

I like the ACOG as well.

TR

[Sanwald]

I always liked the ACOG for longer distance shooting. Without glasses I can't even see a 300 meter target with Iron sghts, forget about hitting it. but my vision isn't bad enough to wear glasses all the time, and it was hasssle wearing them while humping a ruck. So I used the ACOG. and it worked well. But for close range, instinctive shooting an aimpoint works better.
You lose the problem of magnification in one eye and not the other. Sight pictures easier to aquire. With practice, and a good zero, you can hit 150-200 meter targets. but close in you'll be faster and more accurate with an aimpoint.

It's also important to have a sight that allows you to shoot while moving. too many people walk, stop and shoot, then walk again, It's a technique but if you you'll have an advantage, and be harder to hit, if you don't have to stop.

Remember, you're only as good as your first shot.

[The Reaper]

Sanwald:

Not to belabor the obvious, but you too, continue posting without reading the instructions here or filling in your profile.

Do as I asked soldierboy to do and get with the program.

TR

[Detcord]

BM:

Another strategy is to carry an 18"-20" upper with the ACOG and stow it in a ruck or gearbag in your SUV or whatever you will be travelling in and use something else for CQB type stuff. If you need to take longer range shots, pop off the short bbl upper and mount the ACOG upper. This way it's like having 2 weapons in one.

Good luck!!!

[lurp]

Are anyone using the Optima-2000 reddot, how does it work on top of the Acog?