Hole in Hole Accuracy - Page 2

Tuukka · 03-08-2005, 14:07

...Shoot-N-See-

But for the price of those i can get a bunch of the old tape we use to patch the targets or spend the difference in ammo or components...

504PIR · 03-08-2005, 20:51

Thats pretty darn good shooting! Granted its 90% the shooter that makes the accuracy. Obviously TS is a master!

But what type of 45 are you shooting? Is it stock?

**Ambush Master** · 03-08-2005, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

Or you could have read the first post in this thread, which says that the target was a .223 hole already in the target.

Small hole --> big hole --> big hole gets ever-so-slightly bigger

Another point of Interest !!! NOTE that there are NO POWDER-BURNS !!!!!

For the time being, I'm Baaaacccckkkk!!!!

Martin

**Team Sergeant** · 03-08-2005, 20:59

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Originally Posted by 504PIR

Thats pretty darn good shooting! Granted its 90% the shooter that makes the accuracy. Obviously TS is a master!

But what type of 45 are you shooting? Is it stock?

504PIR,

Yes it's a stock gun, a USP .45. stock ammo, not match.

Training tip, If your marksmanship instructor cannot at least have all the rounds touching at 20 feet find a new instructor.
I have done this with dozens of handguns, 99% of which I've never shot before I place holes through holes.

Team Sergeant
(Former 1-505 ABN INF!)

jbour13 · 03-08-2005, 21:02

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Originally Posted by 504PIR

Thats pretty darn good shooting! Granted its 90% the shooter that makes the accuracy. Obviously TS is a master!

But what type of 45 are you shooting? Is it stock?

Not to take anything from the Team Sergeant (probably a stupid judgement call) just food for thought, the firearm is more accurate than the shooter.

It's safe to say with shooting like that the man's gotta be deadly with any thing that goes boom.

TS, I might make a pilgrimage to your AO just to pick-up some much needed pointers and experience.

**Team Sergeant** · 03-08-2005, 21:09

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Originally Posted by jbour13

Not to take anything from the Team Sergeant (probably a stupid judgement call) just food for thought, the firearm is more accurate than the shooter.

While that may be true in most cases there are those that can "outshoot" off the shelf weapons, hence the tricked out or race guns.

At 20 feet there is very little that will have an impact on the internal or external ballistics. At that range I would say it's 99% shooter, one percent weapon/ammo.

(If you're active duty then come on out and we'll shoot!)

TS

jbour13 · 03-08-2005, 21:15

TS

Heading to Bragg around SEP for an assingment to 3rd GP. I'm a 96B by trade and might sneak some leave time when I go to BNCOC.

I started the pistol shooting on my own and developed some bad habits. My current orginazation sent me to ITI in West Point, VA prior to my last trip to IZ.

Any basic pointers to adhere to (unless already posted, if so I'll search and go do PT).

Smokin Joe · 03-08-2005, 23:17

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Originally Posted by jbour13

TS

Heading to Bragg around SEP for an assingment to 3rd GP. I'm a 96B by trade and might sneak some leave time when I go to BNCOC.

I started the pistol shooting on my own and developed some bad habits. My current orginazation sent me to ITI in West Point, VA prior to my last trip to IZ.

Any basic pointers to adhere to (unless already posted, if so I'll search and go do PT).

DRY FIRE!!!

Its what broke me of my bad habit.

The crazy thing is I didn't even know I had the bad habit until I went and shot with the Team Sergeant.

jbour13 · 03-08-2005, 23:26

The only thing that I know about dry firing is the old dime/ washer drill with long guns.

Like everyone I have good and bad days, more bad than good, but the difference is not much. I'm picky.

Elaborate if you can or post a URL that you'd recommend that will save you some typing.

Thanks for the input.

Smokin Joe · 03-09-2005, 03:42

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Originally Posted by jbour13

The only thing that I know about dry firing is the old dime/ washer drill with long guns.

Like everyone I have good and bad days, more bad than good, but the difference is not much. I'm picky.

Elaborate if you can or post a URL that you'd recommend that will save you some typing.

Thanks for the input.

This was taken from Lightfighter.net

Here is some great dry fire practice. The 1.5 second drills are from the holster and the .5 second drills are from the low or contact ready.

(TS, this is the link I was telling you about)

http://www.personaldefensetraining.c...et=dryfire.php

Here is a good live fire drill

http://www.personaldefensetraining.c...dottorture.php

NousDefionsDoc · 03-09-2005, 06:41

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Originally Posted by 504PIR

Thats pretty darn good shooting! Granted its 90% the shooter that makes the accuracy. Obviously TS is a master!

But what type of 45 are you shooting? Is it stock?

LOL - you think it's the gun?

504PIR · 03-09-2005, 08:30

No, its definitly not the gun.

Just always curious as to what top-notch shooters use. What one carries, may not be what someone else uses. Some are 1911 fans, Glocks or whatever.

90% of marksmanship is practice, technique and natural ability....but mostly practice.

swatsurgeon · 03-09-2005, 08:40

I'm not sure what all of the fuss is about...I mean it's ONLY 2 shots through the same hole.......
For an impressive demo, go with TS and WATCH AND LEARN when he puts an entire magazine through the same hole and he doesn't take 30 or 45 seconds between shots, more like 4-6 seconds.
TRIGGER CONTROL, SIGHT ALIGNMENT....he preaches it, I practiced it with dry fire and now I'm proud to say I can do 2 shots (a small increase in hole size but definitely not 2 holes...hole incresed by 10-20%.....more practice and I'll have it down.
Shooting is a perishable skill and for anyone that does get to shoot nearly everyday, they can prove it to you....just give them time off ...it takes a warm up period to get back on track, yes it can be quick and the more previous xperience the faster it comes back.
BTW, to incapacitate a human life form, don't put holes in holes, spread them out to make more things bleed...just a public service announcement from your local trauma surgeon

**Bill Harsey** · 03-09-2005, 08:44

FS,
Find the longest "inside your house" straight line. Buy a steel bullet trap and put it at one end. These work most of the time.

Shoot hundreds of rounds every morning before you go to work.

Not training is not an excuse.

Ignore roommates whining about noise.

**Team Sergeant** · 03-09-2005, 09:15

Thank you SwatSurgeon. Glad to hear you’re punching holes through holes on a regular basis!

And a very good point was brought up by Swatsurgeon and Smokin Joe: dry fire.

I had an LEO tell me just yesterday that he does not get out much to shoot and what could he do to keep in shooting shape? Dry fire.

If I were an LEO I’d purchase a dozen snap caps and 4 extra mags. I’d use these mags and snap caps for daily dry fire drills. (Did see the catch word there, “daily”?)

Here’s a tip from Team Sergeant:
You can maintain 80% (yes eighty percent) of your shooting skill through dry firing.

TS