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Old 02-15-2004, 17:13   #16
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Its been 48 hours.

That means we're agreed, I'm right and everybody else is wrong.
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Old 02-15-2004, 17:53   #17
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Has anyone read the book?
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Old 02-15-2004, 17:58   #18
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I don't think the day will ever come when I say you are wrong, NDD.

You definitely made me think about the possibilities. There are things to consider. McVeigh had a calling card under his alias (Kling) that he used to put together the OKCity bombing. He made calls to his conspirators (Nichols, another man and his wife), the places he bought the fertilizer and racing fuel, three or four Christian militia leaders, and maybe a few more related to the "operation." No Islamic connection to any of them (that I know of.)

He saw himself as a protector of America, but hated the Government. Like I said, he wanted to avenge Waco, of which he was present for much of the ordeal, holding signs protesting the FBI and the ATF. He did claim to love America and did not want to see it destroyed. He specifically chose the Mullah Building because it supposedly was ATF and FBI HQ for OK. Not true, but he thought it was.


He was also a pat rack, keeping specific articles, items and correspondence pertaining to Christian Identity groups, Waco, and Aryan groups, and whole host of other anti-government info. No Islamic literature to speak of that I know. Nichols was the same way. Between these two you would think there would be evidence to a connection to Islamic terrorism. If there was I have yet to find that evidence. I have only read two books on this, so obviously my education is in its infancy just yet. But my curiousity will get the better of me and I will seek out material as soon as I finish the two books I started.

I am not saying the possibility does not exist of a connection. I just don't have any information to back that up. Doc Coulson talks about investigations in depth in "No Heroes." He mentions collecting evidence and leads and see where they take the case, rather than come up with a theory and find evidence that supports that theory. He was very adamant about this and did admit that some lawyers with the U.S. Attorney's office and other agencies (ATF/DEA/FBI, etc...) have done this. I don't think that they collected evidence to support a single theory.

He convinced me that the investigation into OKBOMB (the official FBI name of the case) was investigated throughly and correctly. Who am I to dispute that unless I have other evidence, which I don't have. That is why I am curious as to what NEW evidence Jayna Davis presents.

For now I remained convinced that McVeigh and Nichols were motivated by a hate for the government, revenge for Waco (April 19th), an infatuation with the "Turner Diaries" ( http://members.odinsrage.com/turner/turner_diaries.html ), and his obvious connection to Christian Militia groups dating back to before his enlistment in the Army and growing ever more after he failed Selection into SF's.

So you're not wrong, but now you got me thinking the jury may be out.

Let's say there was an Islamic/McVeigh conspiracy. How deep do you think it was? Funding?
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Old 02-15-2004, 18:00   #19
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Has anyone read the book?
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Jayna Davis' book comes out mid-March.
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Old 02-15-2004, 18:18   #20
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Jayna Davis' book comes out mid-March.
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Old 02-26-2004, 21:45   #21
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You might also want to pick up " The New Jackals " by Simon Reive

It's about Ramzi Yousef and OBL written in 1998


Talks about the coming rise of Islamic terror.

In it he mentions Oklahoma City and the possible connection between Nichols and Phillipine muslims. If half what he writes is true there is at least some cause to look into this further

Then again it could just be Oliver Stone time
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Old 04-10-2004, 21:28   #22
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Anyone had the opportunity to read this yet?
Noticed it in the bookstore this weekend.

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Old 05-28-2004, 08:03   #23
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Ok City Bombing: Terror

Discovery Times Ch. 10am and 6pm EST.

Today.

"Chronicling the April 1995 bombing and the stories of the victims, rescuers and law enforcement officials involved."

Don't know if anyone has seen it yet, but I haven't.
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Old 05-28-2004, 08:32   #24
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NDD Sir,

Please read "NO Heroes" by Danny "Doc" Coulson. Doc originated HRT after years in the field. He is quite the expert on the Right Wing "Turner Diaries" cults that sprang up during the early 80's to late 90's.

The 'connection' with Nichols/McVeigh is more closely related to the Christan Idendity and /or CSA movement than it is the foreignn terroist movement.

Not that this article is without merit, but after reading Doc Coulson's book, this is really a fantasy on the part of the author.



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Sigi is our left wing liberal plant here, he just used the terms "right wing cult" and "Christian Identity" to color Nichols/McVeigh as nothing more than right wing whackos. The problem with this as NDD has said is that it keeps us from looking any further. NDD is also very correct about the FBI's investigative skills. That comment will cost me a salmon fishing buddy.
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Old 05-28-2004, 08:54   #25
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Sigi is our left wing liberal plant here
Ouch. That hurt.

I will admit that I have never read any books on the Ok City Bombing, just No Heroes, which admittedly gives only the opinion of one of the lead FBI investigators. I am still unconvinced of a connection with Muslims, but I have yet to read Jayna Davis' book.

This sight is somewhat informative on the Ok City Bombing:

http://www.okcbombing.org/index.htm
The mission of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, a non-profit organization, is to find the whole truth about the fatal attack on the Murrah Federal Building on April 19, 1995. Through extensive eyewitness interviews and research, the Committee is working to bring all those responsible to justice. Evidence presented at this web site is documented, compiled from more than four years of investigation.
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:10   #26
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Ouch. That hurt.

Said with great love and respect Sigi! Our media has trained the public to dismiss anything "right wing". This is done by associating a key word or two with the individual or group in question. Once that's done the person or group cannot recover, in the publics eyes, from the label. Often this results in the incorrect conclusions, especially about domestic terrorism.

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Old 05-28-2004, 09:14   #27
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Here is another one:
http://jaynadavis.com/
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:30   #28
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Said with great love and respect Sigi!
Absolutely no offense taken, Sir.

I agree that "right wing" does carry negative connotations. It's like listening/watching CBS/NBS/ABC nightly news where they have two members of congress, one a Democrat and one a Republican.

The Democrat is simply the "Representative from (enter state here)", but the Republican is the "Conservative Representative."

Hey, wouldn't that make the Democrat the "Liberal" Representative? Just stuff I notice.
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:35   #29
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Thanks Sigi, You can't see my smile while I'm writing...good observation on the media, I don't like being lied to by either side. time to get in the shop, out here for now. Bill
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Our media has trained the public to dismiss anything "right wing". This is done by associating a key word or two with the individual or group in question. Once that's done the person or group cannot recover, in the publics eyes, from the label.
Your right as always Bill, damn media has conditioned us to disregard anything labeled "right wing". I am a proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy...
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