Draw from appendix carry

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by Razor

60/100 = 3/5; -5 for failing to simplify.

you just gave me PTSD and sent me back to engineering days ...
The moment one realizes engineering program is no joke as the faculty told the freshmen: "Look to you right, look to your left, in 2-3 years there will be one of you left." In my senior class, I found out he was right.

Originally Posted by Joker

Practice drawing it about a 100 times, slowly, working on your economy of motion. Don't make ANY excessive moves.

drivfast, I've discovered PLENTY people make excessive moves, to include myself when using new weapon or technique, or when under stress. Watch for the fish lure throw or the bowler moves as the gun goes to full presentation. Also, this works for me so it's only IMHOO. Do a sanity check for "natural point of aim." There isn't really such thing with pistol due to lack of bone support but your stance and grip would replace the bone support and cheek weld with rifle. With those 1000+ reps, every so often at varying speed and scenario, draw with your eyes closed to full extension/presentation, then open them to see if the sights are aligned. This is my trick to win competitions where accuracy counts so much more than speed. That also enables me to outshoot private contractors, Marine vet, and a SWAT instructor at a recent LEO shotgun/pistol instructor course with a G26 from 3 to 25 yards.

[drivfast]

Originally Posted by frostfire

drivfast, I've discovered PLENTY people make excessive moves, to include myself when using new weapon or technique, or when under stress. Watch for the fish lure throw or the bowler moves as the gun goes to full presentation. Also, this works for me so it's only IMHOO. Do a sanity check for "natural point of aim." There isn't really such thing with pistol due to lack of bone support but your stance and grip would replace the bone support and cheek weld with rifle. With those 1000+ reps, every so often at varying speed and scenario, draw with your eyes closed to full extension/presentation, then open them to see if the sights are aligned. This is my trick to win competitions where accuracy counts so much more than speed. That also enables me to outshoot private contractors, Marine vet, and a SWAT instructor at a recent LEO shotgun/pistol instructor course with a G26 from 3 to 25 yards.

Frostfire,

Congratulations on kicking ass at the instructor course. I really like the way you gave examples of excess body movements. I'll be watching for the bowler and the fishing lure cast during full presentation. Also, the natural point of aim check seems like a solid practice. I can see how that could help a guy develop a consistent grip and presentation that produces repeatable results. I'll make sure to include that next time I'm dry firing. Thanks for taking the time to cross-load the tips and advice bro!

[Razor]

Originally Posted by frostfire

you just gave me PTSD and sent me back to engineering days.

Dark days, indeed, if it included the FE exam.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by frostfire

Do a forum search and/or google query for the Sparrow boys clip, the Filipino hit men documentary. At mere 60/100th of a second, they are probably the fastest appendix draw, and without $$$ gear either. Having said that, SEA is a tropical climate so not much fabric to clear as well. Thus, YMMV, adjust accordingly.

+1 for miclo18d comment. FWIW, you changed your posture after the draw and prior to presentation. As mentioned many times here, speed is economy of motion.

I saw the "Sparrow boys hitman clip" when it was classified "secret".......really.

Drawing from that position is likely to get your pecker shot off.

There's a reason we have/use "holsters".

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by Razor

Dark days, indeed, if it included the FE exam.

stop! STOP! PE and FE exams...the horror
Always thought I was smart until engineering classes, never saw scores like 42 and 45 out of 100....but the class average was 35 so I still ended up with a B thanks to the curve

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I saw the "Sparrow boys hitman clip" when it was classified "secret".......really.

Drawing from that position is likely to get your pecker shot off.

There's a reason we have/use "holsters".

I agree with this.

Yesterday, while out shopping, I actually moved my holster over from hip to my "appendix" and since I ganed a few pounds in the midriff, the handle poked out like an Alien baby bursting out of my belly. My problem with this technique, as a defensive technique, is that during SSR you will probably bend over forward in a defensive crouch as a reaction to seeing a gun and have difficulty getting a weapon out of the area to the front.

I also noticed on the sparrow video that they are using their NFH to push the gun up out of their trousers. These assassins were on the offense and had the element of surprise and therefor didn't have a SSR, therefor they could stand straight up and access the front waistband. Cheating so to speak.

My opinion is ditch the unknown factor and save your pecker! If not, wear a ceramic cup and practice, practice, practice.