On the Run

[The Reaper]

Good plan, GD.

I am thinking that 15-20 pounds of arms and ammo is going to be about the limit, given the distance and load of other priority items.

I also believe that some people have no concept of reality, and that there are a huge number of liars on the internet.

This was posted on another forum, amd I found it humorous.

IMHO, this individual is not a SOF medic, and has never actually assembled the items he lists in such detail, and has certainly never tried to carry this all at once.

In fact, he likely has a handicapped placard and refuses to go in any store where he has to walk more than 50 feet to the entrance. He couldn't hump this load across the Wally World parking lot, even with the assistance of his motorized scooter. He will need a bugout deuce and a half.

Should be easy to track though, from the drag marks, discarded items, and empty candy wrappers.

I have included my medical list for just me and 1 out of every 2 will have this as well in our group in case we get seperated. I am also including my list of clothing and BOB items but this is not all my bug out supplies.
Along with it all, 5 cases of MRE's per person minimum so thats 2 meals/day per person/for 1 month to start out. The bold letters at the end is for the stores or online sites I got it all and there is a legend at the top of my main list for my group to follow I did not include. Anyone wanting a more comprehensive list, send it to me here ,your email list and I will send you a PDF with all my things. One thing I did not add here was at Amazon.com for $11.83 I bought the medical reference manual Special Operations Forces Medical handbook, 2011 printing and placed it in a 1 gallon zip lock bag for in my BOB. I was an SOF medic and civilian medic for over 12 years and I highly recommend this in your bag.
Here is it:
CLOTHING:
1- pair warm weather boots BIG5 and 1 pair of cold weather hiking boots. SW
3- pairs of wool socks. SODOSU
1- pair jeans HOME/WAL
1- set of quick dry shorts. REI
2- cotton tshirts. SODOSU
1- performance shirt REI
2- sets of underwear. HOME/WAL
2- pairs of tops/bottoms bdu's. SODOSU
1- set thermal underwear (tops/bottoms). SODOSU
1- hooded sweatshirt dark colored. HOME/WAL
1- goretex liner jacket with attached hood ( no button or zipper attached). REI
1-1/4 zip fleece pullover. HOME/WAL/REI
1- tactical belt. CTD
1- set of raingear (tops/bottoms). SODOSU
1- waterproof booney hat. SPG
1- face-mosquito netting. FED A/N
1- 4 in 1 fleece hat SPG
2- army towels FED A/N
2- chamois towels


TACTICAL BELT EQUIPMENT (LCE): (set up in case you are seperated from BOB)
1- LCE pistol belt and "H" suspenders FED A/N
1- Taurus 24/7 G2 (.45 cal.) pistol DGS with thigh holster that carries an extra mag. on right side CTD
1- .223 AR-15
1- Taurus PT709 (9mm) pistol DGS with holster concealed on right side above .45 holster. SW
1- Remington 30.06 rifle with scope, bipod, 2 metal mags CTD, 1 buttstock mag CTD and sling CTD
10 ft-paracord (550 cord) braided around rifle sling for added 550 cord CTD
2-4 energy bars REI
2-m16 ammo pouches used for carrying items FED A/N
2-D ring caribiners (high weight strength) REI
1 tactical flashlight (Fenix TK15 337 Lumens) REI
1- multitool (Leatherman) CTD
1-magnesium firestarter HF
4- 12 hour lights sticks FED A/N
1-P51 or P38 FED A/N
1-foil emergency blanket FED A/N
1-tritium military compass with pouch CTD
1- SOG knife with sheath "SEAL revolver" (saw tooth/ 1/2 serrated)
1- SOG knife "Trident" (1/2 serrated, black tini, folding, locking)
rei knife sharpener (Item # 670968)
rei knife shealth (for the Trident) Rainbow of California Knife Case - Large (Item # 409215)
1- triple molle mag holster on left rear of belt (+1-.45 cal/+2- 9mm mags) CTD
1- 40 oz hydration pack IMS, water purifier tabs REI
1-folded area map in ziplock bag FED A/N
2- pepperspray tubes,comes with leather pouch HF
1-BUTT PACK (FED A/N) for first aid items: 1 mre (FED A/N), 1- surgical kit SPG, 25g quicklot (REI), trauma bandage, various band aids,sunscreen, lip balm, medical tape, antiseptic, neosporin, 1 hemastat, small surgical scissors, tweezers HF, small bottle/tube peroxide, 4" x 4" moleskin, hand sanitizer, 3 ft surgical tubing, chewable antacids/pepto/antinausea tabs, asa, ib, tylenol, 3 safety pins(lg), ace bandage, cravat(sling), steristrips, nobite, laminated foldouts on various topics like edible plants etc. SW


INSIDE RIFLE BUTTSTOCK:
2- cigar tubes with 30ft line wrapped on each. HOME
crimpon leads and fishing hooks. HOME
1-small candle.
1- magnesium firestarter. HF
1- lighter. HOME
waterproof matches.


1-GOBAG (BOB):
200 rds of 9mm ammo, 200 rds of .45 cal. ammo, 100 rds of 30.06 ammo SW
1- nightvision scope (Night Owl Optics style#NOXM50)
1- rope bag (IMSplus #RP8170)
30 ft min climbing rope in bag REI
1-topo maps of area in roll-up military map case FED A/N/ REI
1- 3 part army sleeping bag in compression pack FED A/N
1- inflatable pillow REI
1- tent (Catoma Stealth 1 woodland camo) FED A/N
1- BigAgnes sleeping pad REI
1- poncho liner (army blanket) HOME/FED A/N
1- tarp (dark colored) HF
1-magnesium firestarter HF
100 ft 550 cord CTD
12- tarp clips CTD
5- light sticks (12 hour min each) green only FED A/N
1- headlamp REI
1- set of waterproof bino's REI
1- pair of night vision binos AMZ
1- solar rechg panel on outside of go-bag
2- disposable foil survival blankets FED A/N
handful of wetnaps
1- roll black duct tape HF
1- magnifying glass for multi uses HF
3- disposable lighters HF
2- 9 volt batteries
1- pile of steel wool HF
3- flattened rolls of toilet paper HOME
1- MSR EX water filter with 1-2 extra ceramic filters REI
2-small sewing kits
2- hand towels FED A/N
1-chg'd 2 way radios with code names written on backs (Wendy has other set)
1-HAM radio set with booklet and license
1-hand garden shovel (small) instead of etool FED A/N
1-flask for favorite sipping alcohol (use also for fires,antiseptic,pain relief, bartering etc) SPG
1-army rucksack waterproof bag for the bob FED A/N
6-REM oil wipes for weapons cleaning
1-poncho for over pack and self FED A/N
1-field guide to edible plants
1- medical handbook (SF)
4 ft surgical tubing (for catching water from tarp to fill)
1-toiletries kit SPG
1- waterbob (holds 100 gallons) CTD
1- P95 respirator HF with 6 extra set of filters
1- set of marine flares with/without parachutes (preferably 6 flares min)
2- tubes of superglue HF
2- sets of shoe/boot laces FED A/N
1-spare pair of cheap sunglasses HF
1- 6-person tent (mom and I) SW
1- aluminum cot REI
1- 5x land periscope SPG
2- sets of superfeet for boots REI





WEAPONS:
1- Taurus 24/7 G2 (.45 cal.) pistol with thigh holster that carries an extra mag. on right side
1- Taurus PT709 (9mm) pistol with holster concealed on right side above .45 holster.
1- Remington 30.06 rifle with scope, bipod, 2 metal mags, 1 buttstock mag and sling
1- .223 AR-15 with
200 rds of 9mm ammo, 200 rds of .45 cal. ammo, 100 rds of 30.06 ammo, 6 .223/ 30- round magazines filled with ammo
1- bottle gun oil inside ziplock bag
1- gun cleaning kit for all weapons (tbd on items)

EDIBLES:
6- mre meals FED A/N
1- camelback-like hydration bag (holds at least 1 litre)(which is 100 oz) REI
1- pkg of water purifying tabs REI
1- p38 or P51 can opener FED A/N
6- indiv. desert MRE's
1- mess kit
several powdered gatorade or electrolyte packets to add water to

MEDICAL:
2- medicbags FED A/N
1- surgical kit SPG
1- old pair glasses or contacts AND its supplies
1- pair of sunglasses HF
1- pocket sized basic first aid book
1- cpr pocket mask keychain size CTD
6- pairs of surgical heavyduty gloves HF
Related meds (can be in ready status as currently being used)
12" x 12" moleskin
1- small bottle baby powder or other powder if allergic
assorted bandaids in ziplock bag
1- pair of trauma scissors HF
1- pair of tweezers,nail file, nail clippers HF
3- pairs hemastats (various sizes from small to long handled) HF
1- small bottle rubbing alcohol (in ziplock bag)
1- bottle peroxide
2- large trauma bandages FED A/N
1-rolled padded/aluminum split
1- roll medical tape
assorted sterile bandages (gauze pads) in ziplock bag
2- rolls elastic bandage for sprains (ace bandages)
1- antidiarrheal meds
1-cold meds
painkillers (ASA (nonenteric coated), Tylenol, and IB)
1-antiseptic tube (like betadine)
1-tube neosporin
1-no-bite tube
1- calamine lotion in ziplock
3- disposable razor blades
2-3 bags/pkgs of insta-klot for hemmohrage (at least 1 pkg/use per person) REI
1- bottle burn treatment spray or lotion for severe burns
1-bottle sunscreen (at least 30 spf)
2- sunscreen lip balm
1- medium bottle of visine like fluids in ziplock bag
1- bottle of newskin
1-poison ivy cream
1-antacids
1-analog thermometer
1-manual bp cuff
1-stethascope
1- extractor snake bite kit
1- bottle benadryl (tablets preferably)
3 ft surgical tubing
1-tube hydrocortisone cream
1- pepto tablets
1- medium size plastic bottle hand sanitizer
1-roll clingy nonstick tape
1-pkg steristrips,butterflies
2- maxi pads
4-tampons
6-ammonia inhalants
5- suture kits various sizes
1- set dental picks HF
1- scalpel with 30 disposable blades
syringes of multiple sizes
1-epipen for beestings etc.


DOCUMENTS:
copies of all documents in ziplock bags
drivers license, CWP, passport, credit/debit cards, ssn card
bartering metals of silver and/or gold in any increments
paper cash in small increments no higher than $50.00 (min $20.00), mostly 1's and 5's. various FM's (field manuals for ref)

Really?

TR

[Sdiver]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I like your loadout, if I had a vehicle, but you would have over fifty pounds of guns and ammo, exclusive of any of the other necessities. I would not want to be humping close to 100 pounds of gear up those hills at that altitude, especially with the cold weather burden. Leap frogging means humping twice the distance, for twice the time. You may be able to do it though, but I think it is tactically unsound. Hard to speed reload from a fanny pack, too.

TR

You are correct Sir, in that it does (and it is) sound like a lot. I tend to do that, "over prepare". That's why I love these threads. Let's me rethink and reevaluate my "plan(s)"

One thing I did neglect to mention is, along the routes that I've more or less looked at, there will be plenty of four legged transportation that I'd be passing. Aside from deteriorating political polices, Colorado is also know for it's huge horse populations. I know hangings are too good for horse thieves, but ..... This is one of "The Reaper's" famous survival threads. One that gets one thinking, so it's pretty much, all bets are off. It's survival of the fittest time baby.

This is the bag I was referring to ....

http://www.lapolicegear.com/511-bail...FYtDMgodFBMAYw

Yeah I called it a fanny pack, but I used to wear mine over the shoulder so it would hang on my hip, and when I did wear it as a "fanny pack", I could always pull it around to the front. I used to use it as a quick medical grab bag, when I worked stand-by.

Yes of course the (my) load would change with the weather. I went with thinking what I would grab at "This particular time". Currently here, it's partly cloudy, temps in the mid 80's, lows in the 50's, and continued to be like this for the next 5 days. Now turning to sports ..... Aw crap, sorry.
Didn't even think what it would be like in December, or March, or October, ect.
Thank you for pointing that out.

Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

I love these threads...

Me too !!!!!

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

You are correct Sir, in that it does (and it is) sound like a lot. I tend to do that, "over prepare". That's why I love these threads. Let's me rethink and reevaluate my "plan(s)"

One thing I did neglect to mention is, along the routes that I've more or less looked at, there will be plenty of four legged transportation that I'd be passing. Aside from deteriorating political polices, Colorado is also know for it's huge horse populations. I know hangings are too good for horse thieves, but ..... This is one of "The Reaper's" famous survival threads. One that gets one thinking, so it's pretty much, all bets are off. It's survival of the fittest time baby.

This is the bag I was referring to ....

http://www.lapolicegear.com/511-bail...FYtDMgodFBMAYw

Yeah I called it a fanny pack, but I used to wear mine over the shoulder so it would hang on my hip, and when I did wear it as a "fanny pack", I could always pull it around to the front.

Yes of course the (my) load would change with the weather. I went with thinking what I would grab at "This particular time". Currently here, it's partly cloudy, temps in the mid 80's, lows in the 50's, and continued to be like this for the next 5 days. Now turning to sports ..... Aw crap, sorry.
Didn't even think what it would be like in December, or March, or October, ect.
Thank you for pointing that out.

Me too !!!!!

Nothing wrong with thinking a plan through with like-minded individuals.

That is a Bail Out Bag, not a fanny pack as generally understood.

Do you plan on carrying a pack saddle too, or are you going to just ask the rancher for one before you take his horse? Horses require rigging to carry loads.

In an environment like yours, I could see having the core three-season BoB, and adding an additional module for winter.

Good plan.

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

I would be taking Ms Okie with me so for her

AR carbine and .22 pistol.

I would take my Springfield M1A with scope and .22 pistol. I have 2 Ruger MKII semi autos. Given time I might try to improvise a suppressor for both.

While I would do my best to avoid contact, travel at night etc it might happen That is what the AR is for.

The 22 pistols is for taking small game or even deer with a head shot in the right circumstances. Also works in case I have to engage someone quietly.

M1A/M-14

For larger game if needed. Also IF I have to have engage the bad guys I can reach out a ways with the rifle and I prefer to wound one of them at a long distance as possible to slow their pursuit yet it is semi auto and works at closer firefights as well.

I have a water filter for camping that is a must to take along.

figure 200 rounds of 223.

200 rounds of .22 each

200 rounds of 308

Also I would minimize food I took and take more water. I can go longer without food than water but at 8.35 pounds per gallon water weights a lot. Say minimum food rations for 5 days ir power bars etc.

If I was going alone ie Ms Okie was already in a safe area I may trade the M1A for the Carbine but METT-TC come into effect ie who it was and their equipment.

Boots. And this is the most important of all IMHO. A good well broken in pair of boots it the most important with extra socks and foot powder.

Good load plan for your wife.

I would have to consider the openness of the route, opportunities for long-range engagements, and the size of the game before committing to a .308.

The AR with accessories is nine pounds or so, loaded 30 round 5.56 mags roughly a pound each, so seven pounds of ammo. The .22 would be a couple of pounds, and the .22LR ammo about 2 pounds for 200 rounds. She gets 20 pounds of guns and ammo.

For a standard weight stripped M1A, you would have a roughly ten pound rifle, and ammo is 1.5 pounds per 20 round mag. Four more pounds for the pistol and ammo. Your total for your weapons is 29 pounds, plus optics, lights, night vision, cleaning gear, etc. With the 45 pound BoB, your wife is carrying at least 65 pounds, and you 74 pounds. Most females cannot sustain that weight, so you are probably going to have to redistribute the load and carry part of hers.

I take it you live in a dry climate. One gallon per day, and a filled CamelBak bladder is around 100 oz., or just about seven pounds. You cannot carry sufficient water to make the full 100 mile move on foot. Best to take some storage and purification capability, and plan a route that will bring you near water sources when you need them.

If you are a healthy weight, you drop below the calories you are burning, and pretty soon, your body will start to break down.

I agree with your assessment of the importance of boots. And a well-broken in ruck.

Incidentally, if you are being pursued, you should be running a cold camp with no fire and little shelter. The MRE heaters, and a bivvy bag for your sleeping gear or a ground cloth over you might be as good as it gets, and limit your thermal signature. Bring extra clothes to stay warm while sleeping. The move at night plan is a good one, if you are familiar with the terrain and can night land navigate under tactical conditions. Hole up in thick brush or inaccessible terrain and rest during the day. That will cut back on your cold weather concerns as well.

TR

[bubba]

TR, I like the idea of having a short version of a broke-down AR platform. That has a lot of practical survival sense inherently built in.

As to what I'd like to / what I actually keep in my bail out bag:

*) Over the shoulder murse bag (I have one in a dark red color from HSGI)

Nav Stuff:

JOG map (s) of my imiediate area (good for long-range nav)
GPS with map data of the entire section of the country (with 2 sets of spare lithium batteries)
Standard Silva compas

Food / Watter:

1L Nalgene (blue with a spash guard)
Sterie Pen with filter
3-5 Snickers bars (believe it or not, Snickers really does satisfy a LOT of nutritional requirements)
3-5 Packets of Skittles (I just like em...)
Airforce Survival kit gill net (great for fish and birds as well as cammo)
Roll of army issue trip-flare wire

Shelter / Clothing:

Brown Arctertx' hard shell (none issue on purpose)
OD green poncho with 50' of para cord
Space Blanket
Black neck-gator

Fire:

2x Bic Lighters

Knives:

Leatherman Wave
AF Survival knife

Signal:

Plastic signal mirror
Orange aviation pannel marker
....Fire.....
Head-lamp (with 3x sets of batteries and red-lens)

1st Aid:

2x Israeli bandages
Chest seal kit
ET tube
Bottle of Asperine

GP:

$500 Cash in 20s and 10s
Roll of Quarters
5th Group Coin (one from a deployment in the shape of the flash)

What I leave out on purpose:

Cell Phone
Ipad
Credit Cards
ID Cards
Passports
Etc

The one exception is if in a forgin country then the above is ALWAYS on my person

The overall plan is to blend in with the environment to avoid confrontation with either the people looking for you or the people who will remember you. Camoflage is not wearing a mutlicam ghilliesuit carrying a sniper rifle. It is blending in with your surroundings.

[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

You never know.

Plan for the basics, then look for possible additional requirements. Be prepared.

I only ask because, if known, it alters the plan significantly. If I know that I am evading to a known friend or relative with a secure place, I know that I can pack just for the trip saving weight and improving travel time.
If I am just trying to escape with no idea how long I will have to be on my own, that is a different kit and plan.

I get that some people plan a Bug Out Bag based on the idea they need to survive an indeterminate time in the wild. Others have more than on bag (3 day, 14 day, month, indefinate, for example).

The amount of ammo I carry is dependent on the known or unknown destination as well. Unkown, I will try to carry more.

Also, I don't get dressed without a pocket knife and often have a 5" fixed on my belt (completely legal here and no one notices). These things are pretty much daily wear and a default part of the 'kit'.

In this case, I think your back and your environment (to some degree) will be your limiting factors.

Season and weather is a significant factor as well.

What do you need versus want, and how much of the needs can you carry and fight with?

I'll stick with needs. I may want Jennifer Aniston but I don't think I can convince her to come with me in less than 5 minutes.

[Sdiver]

Originally Posted by DocIllinois

.... Is there such a thing as an Assistant Bagger?

I believe those are also called Medics/18 Deltas.

At least that's what I've heard.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by bubba

AF Survival knife

Bubba, you had me right up till there.


Doc - No lie, I bet that gear list weighs close to 100 pounds, if not more.

Concur about blending in, even int he woods. Very important.

You might want to signal when you are arriving at your destination, in case they were locked down. Good list and comments, thanks.


Streck - Glad to see that you know the difference between needs and wants. Good feedback, thanks.

[Barbarian]

My AO is fairly populous yet mountainous. Mountains are covered in dense deciduous forest. Streams and springs are plentiful, as are squirrel, coons, opossum, turkey, deer, dogs, and coyotes. I plan to lead my family South into the larger mountains and a certain more secluded town.We will be traveling at night, at the appropriate elevation one should for mountain E&E. Rations consist of dehydrated meals supplemented by wild edibles and hopefully small game.

3-season BoB’s weigh in close to 35 lbs at half water capacity (2 liters). Plus extra socks and feet care items for said distance. In addition to our BoB’s, we will be carrying three 9mm pistols, one Rem700 chambered in 30-06, one AR, and a bangalore. Will list “Bag” contents if any are interested.

Excellent thread, Sir Reaper.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Barbarian

My AO is fairly populous yet mountainous. Mountains are covered in dense deciduous forest. Streams and springs are plentiful, as are squirrel, coons, opossum, turkey, deer, dogs, and coyotes. I plan to lead my family South into the larger mountains and a certain more secluded town.We will be traveling at night, at the appropriate elevation one should for mountain E&E. Rations consist of dehydrated meals supplemented by wild edibles and hopefully small game.

3-season BoB’s weigh in close to 35 lbs at half water capacity (2 liters). Plus extra socks and feet care items for said distance. In addition to our BoB’s, we will be carrying three 9mm pistols, one Rem700 chambered in 30-06, one AR, and a bangalore. Will list “Bag” contents if any are interested.

Excellent thread, Sir Reaper.

Great plan. I would only suggest that the pistols all use the same mags, for interchangability.

Careful with the bangalore.

TR

[MR2]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

You are at home and have five minutes notice that you are about to be raided by a vastly superior force. You need to execute your personal E&E plan.

Cover(s) for status and cover for action are occasionally war-gamed during family dinners.

I suppose it depends on if the raiders are state sponsored or not. If not, we can hold until relieved.

Firearms are PACE for handguns only. Still short on full complement of defensive ammo, but have enough of ball to backfill. Working on ACE for shotgun and carbines.



I'm in a major urban area. We (spouse and I) have two backpacks (35 & 25lbs.) ready to go. This includes a homeless disguise that will work from dusk to dawn during egress and in appropriate locations during daylight. Dog tracking is a viable concern and contingency has been planned. Multiple routes have been walked and barking dogs noted.

We have access to a friend's (safe) house with stored supplies six blocks away. Those supplies include two mountain bikes with saddlebags prepacked w 40lbs. food/water/gear. Safe house also has a SUV (w bike rack) that I will 'borrow' as necessary.

From there decision to stay vs. move via foot/bike/vehicle will occur.

Within 2 miles of major Interstates running N/S/E/W. Safe house options within/outside metro area w friends/family/unknown are available in multiple locations. Extensive bike trail system exists as well terminating within the city or various wilderness open spaces/parks. May use homeless disguise to reach Interstate and hitchhike out of area.



You do not own anything that you cannot carry at a dead run for as long as you need to!

[sterinn]

My bag is a molle backpack, it's broke in well and fits the shoulders great.

Water:
Low Pro Source 100oz bladder
1 SteriPen Water purifying UV Light +1 set of extra batteries

Tools/Equip:

Primary Weapon-
Carbine AR, aimpoint on larue quick mount and irons.
3 total 30 round magazines, 2 packed in exterior pocket.
*Small amount of lube stored in grip
Magpul Sling Single/Dual Point

Secondary Weapons-
Ruger LCP 380, concealed. 2 magazines
Walther P22 5 magazines

1 Small Folder Knife (Benchmade MelPardue that I always have in my pocket)

1 Multitool -SOG, for misc repairs or an extra blade or two, saw, etc..

1 Med sized fixed blade (SOG Seal Pup) when a small knife isn't enough knife.

1 Gerber Sport Axe, Small enough to carry, light- saw blade knife in the handle, overall used as a cutting/clearing a sleeping area in a thicket and chopping up fuel, last resort self defense.

2 Lighters 1 bic in pocket, 1 micro torch/zippo type
Small bag of Vaseline cotton balls

2' of 100mph tape on a small makeshift spool on my pack shoulder strap- who frikin' knows when you need it.

2 Space Blankets

Food & Clothing:
10-12 power bars
3-4 cans of potted meat (small, salty, and down right good for you, lol)
Jeans, hiking shoes, good duty type belt, light waterproof jacket, camo hat, clear nemesis glasses.
+ a set of UnderArmor if it's fall/winter.

Strategy:
I think making haste and traveling by evening/night is going to yield success in any situation like this. The name of my game is I've got a relatively small area to vacate which would be 2/3 days of very methodical travel using dense cover, barns, sheds, old cars. Then have to trek several miles at once seeking more cover.

Primary/Secondary weapons only utilized as a last resort to either assault or suppress while making an exit. Being seen and detected is avoided at nearly all costs.

If captured or in a close hand to hand fight the hidden lcp 380 could be a life saver.

Walther P22 can be used for small game and birds as the sun is beginning to rise/fall. Most of my terrain to cover that will put me at the most risk will be low and dense creek bottoms so sound would be to my advantage if I need to take a meal w/ the 22. Once the long travel has been made, hunting frequency will rise, seeking larger game, thieving, or being a sneaky opposing force will become more of my game plan as I get farther away from the populous or areas of danger.

[BigJimCalhoun]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

If there is interest, I will start another thread (or revive an old one) for E&R bags and contents.

TR

I express interest Sir.

[spherojon]

For Starters:

-Ruger 10/22 Takedown 4.67 Ibs
200 rounds of 22 LR
-Remington 870 Wingmaster 12 gage Magnum pump 28’ about 7 ½ pounds.
40 Rounds of rifled slugs
-Glock 19
38 rounds (19 round magazine)
OC Bear Spray (I know, I know, but it saved my ass vs a pack of wild dogs)
K-Bar
MultiTool

Probably take my SAS Survival Handbook by John Wiseman since I only have limited knowledge from the Boyscouts.

[The Reaper]

MR2:

The reason for the bugout is irrelevant. The point was the weapons selection, and secondarily, the bugout bags.

Living that close to the Interstate would cause serious bugout planning. Glad that you have discussed it.


sterin, good packing list, thanks.

Originally Posted by spherojon

For Starters:

-Ruger 10/22 Takedown 4.67 Ibs
200 rounds of 22 LR
-Remington 870 Wingmaster 12 gage Magnum pump 28’ about 7 ½ pounds.
40 Rounds of rifled slugs
-Glock 19
38 rounds (19 round magazine)
OC Bear Spray (I know, I know, but it saved my ass vs a pack of wild dogs)
K-Bar
MultiTool

Probably take my SAS Survival Handbook by John Wiseman since I only have limited knowledge from the Boyscouts.

I would not take the shotgun afoot except for hunting. While great in the static defense role, the weight of the ammo and limited range make it of questionable value. Just the 40 rounds you listed adds nearly 4 more pounds.

Just my .02, YMMV.

TR

[spherojon]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I would not take the shotgun afoot except for hunting. While great in the static defense role, the weight of the ammo and limited range make it of questionable value. Just the 40 rounds you listed adds nearly 4 more pounds.

Just my .02, YMMV.

TR

The take-down 10/22 and shotgun are solely for hunting. Its a toss up between my shotgun, my 300 Weatherby (about 10lbs) + Ammo, and my 1957 Marlin 336 30-30 (7 1/2 pounds) + ammo. I am trying to avoid the packs of unknown armed forces. I went with a shotgun because I figured it has a wider use of ammo then the Weatherby and Marlin.