Boy Scouts may soon welcome gay youths, leaders

[MR2]

Originally Posted by 2018commo

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...PzfQpe66T6Y1jX

Boy Scouts may soon welcome gay youths, leaders

I guess it is time to change the will.

[Richard]

Being an active adult member of one of the largest troops in the nation (usually 15+ patrols of 10 boys each + a corps of 20-30 boys working on Eagle and acting in a staff supporting role + a 15 boy leadership staff of 17-18 yo's) in Dallas when my sons were in Scouting, I saw a number of boys over the years who were suspected of being gay and later admitted to being gay. However, they just went about their business of being kids in a scouting program, bothering nobody and nobody bothering them in a DADT sense, and were just accepted members of the troop who did as well in the program as any of the other boys.

I suspect it will boil down to individual personalities within the individual troops, but have to wonder how some church organizations supporting Scouting will reconcile the philosophical dilemma this move creates for them.

And so it goes...

Richard

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Richard

.................I suspect it will boil down to individual personalities within the individual troops, but have to wonder how some church organizations supporting Scouting will reconcile the philosophical dilemma this move creates for them.

And so it goes...

Richard

And that's the rub. As I understand it - the push is coming from 2 board members (CEOs of large Corporations).

The problem for the Gay Agenda Folks was that it was a National policy - their fight was with the board. That gave cover, so to say, for the local organizations.

When the policy making is kicked down to the local level the fight will now be fought there. This will cause a big ruckus in the local news. If the local Scouts change their policy look for religious organizations to pull their support.

My church supports Brownies, GS's, Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. They have free run of the place for meetings, activities, what ever. The church leadership has been a bit ticked off with the GS's but put up with them to have the "total" package. The local BSA changes it's policy and the church would probably ask all the scouts to find a new sponsor.

But, Hey, I'm sure all the lib groups that pushed the agenda stand willing to pick up the slack with time, money and places to meet.

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Pete

And that's the rub.

But, Hey, I'm sure all the lib groups that pushed the agenda stand willing to pick up the slack with time, money and places to meet.

Not mention agendas...

[Dusty]

What's next-NAMBLA Merit Badge?

[bluebb]

Good point.

So, the Boy Scouts of America is contemplating letting openly gay men serve as Scout leaders?

This is the dumbest thing I've heard gay rights advocates push for -- ever.

The idea that a gay man should go camping with a bunch of teenage boys? Yeah, that's insane.

Not because homosexuals are predatory by nature. Not because they are going to lure impressionable youths into the gay lifestyle. Foolishness, all.

Gays aren't any worse than the next man when it comes to normal human impulses. But they certainly aren't any better.

Would you let me take your 14 year old daughter camping? Kind of seems inappropriate.

So, you acknowledge that no matter how decent of a guy I might be, because I am a normal man subject to normal male passions, it's probably not a great idea for me and my buddy -- let's say, Howie -- to take a group of 14 - 15 year old girls on a camp out. Don't forget to bring a pillow for the mandatory pillow fight!

It's creepy.

Yet somehow homosexual men are exempt from normal male passions? Gay men aren't tempted by 14 - 15 year old boys?

To believe this is to believe that gays are better than straights. That gays are, in fact, superhuman.

That's what the idiots who think gays should be allowed to lead Scout troops fundamentally believe.

Yes, it is discriminatory to not let gays lead Scout troops. It's also discriminatory to not let men lead Girl Scout troops.

Some discrimination has a basis in fact, experience, and human nature.

An adult male that is attracted to a teenage girl is not, in fact, a child molester or pedophile. A pedophile is one who is attracted to prepubescent children. And while some Boy Scouts are in their per-adolescent years (Cub Scouts), camping trips are usually limited to older Scouts -- those who are squarely in their teen years.

It is normal for adult males to be attracted to teenage girls. While this attraction may be normal, acting on these attractions certainly isn't since sexual maturity isn't necessarily connected to social maturity, moral maturity, or psychological maturity.

This is why we have statutory rape laws and why even consensual relationships of this type are considered immoral and are therefore illegal.

And it's why we all think it would be creepy if Howie and me took your teenage daughters camping. Because you know that we are human beings subject to normal human passions.

I can't speak for Howie, but I can promise you that your daughters would be safe with me. Double pinkie swear!

Actually, I'm not kidding. Your daughter really would be safe with me. Nevertheless, you wouldn't even consider the offer even if you knew this to be the case because: a) it looks bad; b) even if we never acted on our impulses it creeps you out as to what we might be thinking; c) you wouldn't want to put us into a position where we were even tempted.

Further, I would never make the offer because ... I'm not a retard. Also, what if it turns out that your daughter is a psycho and I have to rebuff her advances? It could happen! Then it's her word against mine as to who acted inappropriately. Neither of us wants to be in that position.

The last time I checked, such a thing as the "gay teenager" actually exists.

For all these reasons it's simply unfathomable that either of us would even consider such a situation. But .... not homosexuals?

In one breath we are told that gays are no different than other men, and in the next we are told that they are better than the rest of us.

I am willing to concede that gay men are no more likely to act inappropriately with teenagers than are straight men. But are you willing to concede that they are not less likely to act inappropriately?

Because if you aren't, then you don't believe in gay equality. You believe in gay superiority and the two of us simply do not live in the same universe.

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[kozak]

Originally Posted by Richard

Being an active adult member of one of the largest troops in the nation (usually 15+ patrols of 10 boys each + a corps of 20-30 boys working on Eagle and acting in a staff supporting role + a 15 boy leadership staff of 17-18 yo's) in Dallas when my sons were in Scouting, I saw a number of boys over the years who were suspected of being gay and later admitted to being gay. However, they just went about their business of being kids in a scouting program, bothering nobody and nobody bothering them in a DADT sense, and were just accepted members of the troop who did as well in the program as any of the other boys.

I suspect it will boil down to individual personalities within the individual troops, but have to wonder how some church organizations supporting Scouting will reconcile the philosophical dilemma this move creates for them.

And so it goes...

Richard

True,
In all the years I was a scout, in 4 different troops, all of our troops met in a church, and at times volunteered with a church. My last troop kind of ruined my view of the organization. There was racism (surprisingly, no discrimination against the gay kids) rampant throughout the youth and the adult leadership. I know that is not the entire organization and I had some great learning experiences being a scout, but it only takes one to undo the good of many.

[twistedsquid]

Invasion...Succession...Domination. The socialogical phenomena that defines minority integration. But would you care about one's orientation if he (she) pulled your ass out of the fire? When I was younger I had a gay (unkown to me at the time) roommate. Always paid his rent, didn't eat my food, never hit on my girlfriends, kept the house clean and never peed in the shower.

[BKKMAN]

Originally Posted by twistedsquid

...Always paid his rent, didn't eat my food, never hit on my girlfriends, kept the house clean and never peed in the shower.

I'm not dogging you brother, but you may want to get your "gaydar" adjusted...those are some key intel indicators...

Roommate

[PSM]

Originally Posted by twistedsquid

...and never peed in the shower.

Whoa, how do you know that?

Pat

[Razor]

Something to consider:

Venture Crews (co-ed program in Scouting for 14-21 year olds) prohibits youth (under 21) members of the opposite sex from tenting or showering with one another, and non-married adults of the opposite sex can't tent or shower together either. How will the this standing policy be applied to gay Scouts? Will each gay Scout have to tent separately? Do we assume, as mentioned in BlueBB's post that these 11-18 year old gay Scouts somehow have stronger willpower than most 11-14 heterosexual boys? Do we just have to accept that gay Scouts are allowed to ogle hetero Scouts, so long as they don't act?

These questions are of the same variety that DOD deftly ignored when repealing the DADT rules last year. I fully expect BSA to conveniently ignore them as well.

[Dusty]

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/0...93I0OY20130419

[Dozer523]

As far as gay-dar comments go I'll let the profound words of a gay roommate I had once (same kind a guy, reliable with rent, good cook, left my girlfriend alone but could explain all the incomprehensible thing I did, owned a couch. . . ),
"Chicks don't dig Bob, why would I?"

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

As far as gay-dar comments go I'll let the profound words of a gay roommate I had once (same kind a guy, reliable with rent, good cook, left my girlfriend alone but could explain all the incomprehensible thing I did, owned a couch. . . ),
"Chicks don't dig Bob, why would I?"

Well, Hell, bro, I am a happily married man, who do females need a separate shower when we are deployed? I can control myself. Well, better than I could at 16, anyway.

For that matter, why not go back to the old school, and just have gang latrines and showers, gender immaterial. You could get to know one another better while sitting on the pot.

As far as Scouts go, I am glad that my son is almost done with Life and will soon be preparing for Eagle. He should be done in 18-24 months.

Hopefully, that will be before the lawsuits from the molestation that will occur under this new policy bankrupts the organization.

Not exactly sure why we have such serious two man adult rules, and we are going to be pairing up gay and non-gay scouts for future activities alone together. What could go wrong?

16 year old gay boys must be able to control themselves and their urges better than 46 year old priests, anyway.

This will not end well, but the few gay scouts that we gain will surely outweigh any negative consequences that might occur. Right?

TR

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

This will not end well, but the few gay scouts that we gain will surely outweigh any negative consequences that might occur. Right?

TR

lol Another freaking lib goatcluster.