02-11-2011, 16:46
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I always root for the wolves. Humans have very few natural predators any more for population control and there is a need to restore the law of natural selection. The earth is way over populated with idiots. We need lots more wolves.
I was thinking about going down to Alabama the first of March for pig hunting in the Sipsey Wilderness area but have changed my plans and am going back to South Carolina again in the middle of March.
http://www.aonmag.com/article.php?id=1901&cid=188
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02-11-2011, 18:33
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We have had hogs move into Missouri, especially around the Mark Twain National Forest. The Missouri Department of Conservation encourages killing hogs any time or day, however you want to shoot them. Baiting is allowed(this is the only type of baiting allowed in this state).
The most effective way the locals have found to take large numbers is the use of dogs. The dog handlers put tusk-guard vests on their dogs, as once the dogs run the hog to exhaustion, there is a hell of a fight between a pack of dogs and a large-tusked 400 lb. wild boar. Also, the price of Missouri jumping mules has went up, as the guys who run the dogs use the mules to keep up with the dogs, in an area with lots of old fences.
The hogs are prolific breeders, and do horrible damage to natural food sources. Essentially, once the hogs move in, the native sources move out.
Ribs from a smaller wild hog are excellent table fare, I would say better than domestic pork.
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02-11-2011, 20:37
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Originally Posted by Buffalobob
I always root for the wolves. Humans have very few natural predators any more for population control and there is a need to restore the law of natural selection. The earth is way over populated with idiots. We need lots more wolves.
http://www.aonmag.com/article.php?id=1901&cid=188
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Not if you want to continue to get your non-resident Elk tags...
I strongly agree with your view about 'natural selection'. Probably should have reintroduced them on the east coast and California first, don't you think?
As for the ones in Russia, sounds like heaven to me. Aside from cooling barrels, the only thing that would save'em is skinning time.
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02-11-2011, 20:46
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Just think of all the meat that this could produce. Start a welfare BBQ program...... Homeless shelters would have meat all year round. We can put to work some of our down on their luck Vets. They already know how to shoot.
Might save the Gov some money...... Plenty of 55 Gal drums out there that can be turned into BBQ grills.
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02-11-2011, 20:52
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OK, everybody wanting to join the neutering detail line up behind Bubba.
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02-11-2011, 21:05
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OK, everybody wanting to join the neutering detail line up behind Bubba.
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I think it's a great idea. Ought to work hand in hand with Buffalobob's appeal for a Darwinian intervention. Personally, I want to watch - from a comfortable tree stand with a full cooler and a couple cases of ammo for the ones that try to get away (liberals or hogs either one!).
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02-11-2011, 21:09
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02-11-2011, 21:10
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Never have hunted pigs but have always wanted to. Nothing like hunting something that hunts you back and tastes good too!
Anyone say bacon sandwiches
Why would anyone want to neuter a good food source, sounds nutty...
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02-11-2011, 21:20
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California Hogs
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Originally Posted by badshot
I strongly agree with your view about 'natural selection'. Probably should have reintroduced them on the east coast and California first, don't you think?
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The beauty of natural selection is it is always in effect. I don't know about exposing wolves to NY'ers, but the quality of hunting and fishing in the Golden State might surprise you, though hunting wild boar could get hazardous for a badshot....
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How to Stalk, Kill, and Cook a California Wild Pig
—Thomas McGuane
For years, Northern California and the Bay Area have proudly flown the flag of epicurean hedonism, leading the nation in wine production and nouveau cuisine. Even in this merlot-soaked, fresh-organic-ingredients milieu, where great chefs are treated like celebrities, it is seldom noted that the region boasts another little-known gastronomic piece de resistance—the feral pig.
According to the California Department of Fish and Game, wild pigs (Sus scrofa) are a nonnative species. Our wild pigs are, in fact, one of the happier accidents of animal husbandry. Settlers introduced domestic swine to California in the 1700s, some of which wandered into the wild. Then, in the 1920s, a landowner imported the European wild boar to Monterey County. The boars mated with the local feral pig population, creating a wild boar/feral domestic hybrid. Today, at least 45 California counties are up to the elbows in Sus scrofa. These wild pigs are covered in hair, have tusks, and multiply very quickly. One of their few natural predators is the mountain lion. Another is the human being.
Last year, California hunters bagged approximately 30,000 wild pigs, with the heaviest concentrations being found in Sonoma, Mendocino, and Monterey counties. Unlike other game animals, pigs come with almost no restrictions. You can hunt them every day of the year, with no daily limit. You can use any size bow and arrow, rifle, or pistol. And hunting a wild pig is dirt cheap—five pigs will cost only $7.90 in Fish and Game tags. Some say it’s the best bargain in the state—of any kind. Whether that claim is fact or exaggeration, California’s wild boars attract hunters from all over the world.
Many big-game hunters place importance on bagging a trophy for the wall of the den or the rug on the floor. Pig hunters are a different, oddly self-actualized breed. They hunt wild boars because they eat them. The meat is delicious and free of preservatives or hormones.
This article will show you exactly how to stalk, take, prepare, and dine upon your own wild pig. To help compile this guide, SF Weekly retained the services of two Bay Area swinologists, who requested that their identities be concealed for fear of retaliation by Northern California’s large population of animal rights activists. For purposes of identification, we’ll call our pig consultants the Philosopher and the Pragmatist.
The Philosopher runs his own South of Market business; the Pragmatist is a successful practitioner of the culinary arts. They have hunted pigs together for five years, averaging five or six expeditions per year. In exchange for anonymity, the two agreed to share their boar-hunting expertise—including a tour of a secret pig-heavy location in rural Sonoma County.
I. What You Need
A logical first step in hunting pigs is to obtain a copy of the Fish and Game Department’s Hunting Guide for Wild Pigs in California, which covers the basics and includes maps of public hunting areas. You will also need a state hunting license, which costs $27.55 for adult residents, and a tag for each pig you take ($7.90 for five).
If you have never gone before, it’s advisable to bring along somebody familiar with wild boar hunting. Ask the Central Coast Fish and Game office in Napa for a list of local pig outfitters. These guides typically take people on one- or two-day expeditions. On these excursions, most supplies are included, but fees can exceed $500 for a weekend. If you don’t use an outfitter, your bare minimum of supplies should include binoculars, knives, a knife sharpener, plenty of rope, rubber gloves, a strong hacksaw, a bucket, and a source of fresh water.
In California, pig hunting is allowed on any public land managed by federal, state, or local government agencies, with minor restrictions. Experts, however, say these areas have been hunted so frequently that the pigs have learned to avoid them. Results are best on private land, where hunters strike deals with landowners for access to pig-friendly property. Hunting is most successful during early spring or early fall, when seasons are changing, but people have good luck just about any month of the year. The ideal time is either dawn or dusk, when the pigs feed.
(Despite the small cost and few restrictions—the only significant regulation on boar hunting requires that they be taken during daylight hours—some people still find it necessary to poach wild pigs. Poachers often use dogs to bring down the pig, then finish it off with a knife. As protection against the pigs’ sharp tusks, the dogs are dressed in suits of armor. This technique, supposedly, is less noisy than shooting. Fish and Game staff regularly patrol the twilight pastures with infrared equipment, and sometimes set up pig decoys to draw out illicit hunters.)
As far as weaponry goes, both the Pragmatist and the Philosopher swear by the Remington .308 rifle with scope, but almost any caliber gun will do. If you’re really serious about pig hunting, the bow and arrow apparently is the ultimate way to go. But remember: Creeping within 30 yards of a wild pig requires camouflage, and silent clothing. And a healthy reserve of courage.
II. The Hunt
Pig hunters speak of their craft as having two basic methods. The first—“spot and stalk”—means that you walk through the countryside until you see a pig, then stalk it until you’re close enough for a good shot. The second method—“fair chase”—involves a pack of dogs, whose presence can turn a hunt into a complicated, noisy circus.
Outfitters often bring dogs, one hunter says, because it gives the impression of a real safari, an atmosphere that allows them to charge novice hunters more money. Unfortunately, dogs also will chase the pigs up and down the hills. According to John Waithman, author of the Hunting Guide for Wild Pigs in California, running builds up lactic acid in the muscles, which can diminish the flavor of the meat and make it tough. The true wild boar aficionado, therefore, hunts alone or with one other person. No guides. No dogs. Our expedition will be of the dogless spot and stalk variety.
Once you reach a hunting location, park your vehicle and bring weapons only. Leave most everything else—the binoculars, knives, rubber gloves, hacksaw, and bucket—for later. Walk quietly but quickly through the gray dawn, scanning the fields and inspecting the trees. Once the sun comes up, you won’t have much time. Keep an eye out for footprints and boar scat. Matted grass is a sure sign that a herd has bedded there during the night. Stop and listen frequently. If pigs have been feeding in the area, the grass will be turned over in clumps where they have rooted for food. (This so-called “depredation” can very quickly render a field useless for any agriculture; some farmers become pig hunters simply to protect their crops.)
The Sonoma County scenery in which our hunt takes place is magnificent. Across one fence is a flower farm; over the next hill is a winery. But don’t let idyllic surroundings lull you into thinking you’re enjoying a pleasant, if well-armed, early morning stroll. Remember: You’re not hunting cute pink pigs from the county fair. These are hairy, muscular wild boars. They are fast and smart, stand 30 inches tall at the shoulder, measure 4 to 5 feet in length, and can weigh up to 300 pounds. The hide over their shoulders serves as a thick armor plating, and their tusks grow to be 3 inches long. Their eyesight is poor, but their sense of smell is excellent. Stay downwind if at all possible.
The Pragmatist says the secret of pig hunting reflects most of life’s difficult quests: Be at the right place at the right time. Gesturing to a patch of trees, he whispers, “They like to be under the oaks. I shot a beautiful sow right over there.”
But if wild boars are plentiful in Northern California, finding a herd is never guaranteed. You may walk the length of a pasture, stumbling over uprooted grass and other signs of pig infestation, and not see any pigs at all. Furthermore, pigs are difficult to track, because they don’t migrate single file, as do other animals. Boars travel in herds, wriggling through barbed wire fences, and they cover up to 40 square miles a day. Even if you come across signs of pigs, they may have already moved onto the next ranch.
But you may get lucky. One of your party—perhaps, say, a panting journalist with a notepad—may spot a straggler, standing under some trees, feeding. Snout to the ground, tail twitching back and forth, this lone pig may be your only chance. Once the herd hears the first shot, wherever they are, they’ll be moving like hell....continues in link
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02-11-2011, 21:22
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The beauty of natural selection is it is always in effect. I don't know about exposing wolves to NY'ers, but the quality of hunting and fishing in the Golden State might surprise you, though hunting wild boar could get hazardous for a badshot.... 
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02-11-2011, 21:43
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AKV - Great article! Thanks for sharing. Now I've got another reason to persuade the gunsmith to put together a hog gun for me. (TR - I'll see your 5 rd 45-70 lever action and raise you 10 rds of AR-style .458!  )
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02-11-2011, 22:24
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Originally Posted by akv
The beauty of natural selection is it is always in effect. I don't know about exposing wolves to NY'ers, but the quality of hunting and fishing in the Golden State might surprise you, though hunting wild boar could get hazardous for a badshot....
http://www.jackboulware.com/uncatego...ting-wild-boar
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Interesting story akv.
I'll have to get up there one of these days.
Time for Mark46th to chime in.
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02-11-2011, 23:19
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AKV - Nice article, sounds like a good hunt.
One comment on removing heads (works for bears and elk, should work for pigs too)...easiest way to remove a head is to use a sharp knife and cut all the way around the base of it (where the skull and neck meet). Then turn the head one direction until you hear a crack. Finally twist the head the other direction and it comes right off.
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02-11-2011, 23:54
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I hunt pigs in Central California. There is no limit on wild pigs in California but you do need a tag for each pig you take. I have a hunt scheduled for March 12th and 13th. Can you say "Home-made Sausage"? The biggest one I have seen was about 400 pounds. My hunting buddy has seen them up to 600 pounds further North in Mendocino County.
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02-12-2011, 00:05
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I hunt pigs in Central California. There is no limit on wild pigs in California but you do need a tag for each pig you take. I have a hunt scheduled for March 12th and 13th. Can you say "Home-made Sausage"? The biggest one I have seen was about 400 pounds. My hunting buddy has seen them up to 600 pounds further North in Mendocino County.
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Post some pics. If your going with guide on private land and their good, post that as well. Would like to try it next fall sometime when I am back in Phoenix.
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