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01-18-2011, 01:17

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Originally Posted by alfromcolorado

The Americans did change the name. We called it Flint Kaserne. The Germans called it Junkerschule Toelz.

There was another Junkerschule up north also.

Thanks for the info. Did a search for Flint Kaserne and came back with a hit from a gentleman who served between 1986-1989.

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_...5&channel=News

Has a lot of good info and history for anyone else interested about Tolz.

Thank you again for the info.

Richard · 01-18-2011, 10:51

The W-SS had two Junkerschule - Bad Tölz and Braunschweig.

Junker was an old Prussian term - 'young lord' - as the title was applied to the ruling class of landed and titled gentry which ruled the Prussian state. The term was adopted by the SS as a psychological reference to its Officer Candidates as the elite new 'young lords' inheriting National Socialist Germany.

Their collar insignia had a T or a B behind the SS runes to indicate which school they were assigned.

Once WW2 began, the Officer Candidates were primarily combat veterans from the ranks, usually in the rank of corporal (Rottenfuhrer) or junior sergeant (Scharfuhrer or Oberscharfuhrer).

The kaserne was named in honor of COL Harry A. "Paddy" Flint - an old cavalry Officer and the 39th Combat Team Commander...and a favorite of 3rd Army Commander, GEN Patton. The kaserne at Bad Tölz was designated as the Headquarters for Third US Army in May 1945. On 23 May 1945, Third US Army Headquarters (Fwd) moved from Regensburg, where it had been located on VE-Day, to the kaserne. The new headquarters area consisted of approximately 40 acres that formerly had been occupied by a German "Junkerschule."

Third Army headquarters was located at Bad Tölz until April 1946, when it moved to Heidelberg.

During Third Army's stay in Bad Tölz it was assigned the general mission of occupying the German state of Bavaria.

Flint Kaserne was the site of Headquarters, 1st (Inf) Division, from September 1946 until January 1951.

The kaserne was occupied by Headquarters, Special Troops, and 3rd Bn, 169th Inf Regt, of the 43rd Division, from October 1951 until the summer of 1952 when the regiment moved to Nurnberg.

The 10th SFG moved to Bad Tölz/Lenggries on 10 Nov 1953.

My three years at Bad Tölz were some of the best of my SF career.

Richard

greenberetTFS · 01-18-2011, 17:22

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My three years at Bad Tölz were some of the best of my SF career.

As were mine..........

Big Teddy

01-18-2011, 19:46

Ok, this may be slightly off topic but I dont think its right to start a new thread. When 10th was split between Bragg and Germany why did 10th eventually move out to Colorado from Bragg? Was it due to the mountainous terrain which could resemble the terrain found in Germany?

Dusty · 01-18-2011, 19:52

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Originally Posted by cszakolczai

Ok, this may be slightly off topic but I dont think its right to start a new thread. When 10th was split between Bragg and Germany why did 10th eventually move out to Colorado from Bragg? Was it due to the mountainous terrain which could resemble the terrain found in Germany?

I...I..I don't quite know how to answer that.

01-18-2011, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Dusty

I...I..I don't quite know how to answer that.

Was it a dumb question? Sorry if it was. Just wondering and curious as to how some of the groups made it to their current homes.

Richard · 01-18-2011, 20:40

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I...I..I don't quite know how to answer that.

I will.

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When 10th was split between Bragg and Germany why did 10th eventually move out to Colorado from Bragg? Was it due to the mountainous terrain which could resemble the terrain found in Germany?

Pay attention - I'm only saying this once.

1952: 10th formed in NC.

1953: 1/2 of 10th moved to FRG from NC and 1/2 remained in NC to form the 77th.

1968: HQs and 2/3 of 10th moved from FRG to MA with 1/3 remaining in FRG.

1994-1995: HQs and 2/3 of 10th in MA (not NC) moved to CO (primarily due to BRAC) with 1/3 remaining in FRG.

Richard

01-18-2011, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Richard

I will.

Pay attention - I'm only saying this once.
1952: 10th formed in NC.

1953: 1/2 of 10th moved to FRG from NC and 1/2 remained in NC to form the 77th.

1968: HQs and 2/3 of 10th moved from FRG to MA with 1/3 remaining in FRG.

1994-1995: HQs and 2/3 of 10th in MA (not NC) moved to CO (primarily due to BRAC) with 1/3 remaining in FRG.

Richard

I really appreciate the response sir. That clears up a lot and the timeline is definitely a lot easier to understand. Now I am going to research the trojan horse emblem a little bit more. Thanks again

mike-munich · 01-19-2011, 04:37

I can't think of a single town that was renamed after WW2... Only the ones that are now in Poland, Czech Republic, Alsace-Lorraine and used to be German Reich until 1945.

In my opinion 1/10 should have never left TÖL for BB. But that's just my .02 cents...

MVP · 01-19-2011, 15:55

Mike,

Just had to stir the pot again didn't you!

MVP

MVP · 01-19-2011, 15:59

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Originally Posted by ddoering

The chance that this item is the real deal is so small that you might as well throw your money away.

The collector that sent me the link and I were at Tolz together and I can vouch for his knowledge. He is highly confident the watch is a real JS Tolz item.

MVP

mike-munich · 01-20-2011, 01:52

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Originally Posted by MVP

Mike,

Just had to stir the pot again didn't you!

MVP

MVP,

sorry I had to. Reading this post brought back feelings from way back when. Tölz is not the same place without 1/10...

V/R

Mike

MVP · 01-20-2011, 09:18

I too miss Tolz as it was. But for the Bn I believe the big loss was proximity to good training areas. I heard all the new guys complain about the move despite they're never having served there. They cited the tourist aspects but nothing IRT the Bn or training. I just learned to ignor the complaints since their view was primarily driven by a weekend spent in Tolz.

There are actually some advantages to bieing in Stuttgart to include the ability to quickly get to other countries in Europe for a weekend. From Tolz there were less options. I do prefer the Barbarian culture more than Schwab though! What kind of moron would refer to a brotchen as a "weck"?

MVP

mike-munich · 01-20-2011, 10:02

Roger that. "Weck" disgusts me too, after all it's a "Semmel" to me.

You're also refering to the Brauneck, do ya? Heck, I remember skiiing with the guys there. Draxlhang was nice, going to the Jägerwirt in Gaissach after skiing was even better. BB doesn't even have a real DZ...

Austria is real close, I don't care about Switzerland and France too much that are closer to Stuttgart than to Tölz/Upper Bavaria.

I better stop, I feel my eyes getting waterey... Damn cold.

Mike

mojaveman · 01-20-2011, 11:22

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Originally Posted by MVP

There are actually some advantages to being in Stuttgart...MVP

With six installations including one that had a major PX and shopping center, Stuttgart was pretty comfortable. The 7th General Hospital in Bad Canstatt was nice in that it saved one a long trip to Landstuhl for any serious issues. The 20,000+ US personnel that were staioned in the area brang plenty of American culture with them. The summertime VW races at the dirt track on Panzer Kaserne in the early '80s were commedy.

Had all kinds of fun in Stuttgart...