08-23-2004, 11:56
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AM also has One of these that is a blast to shoot.
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08-23-2004, 11:56
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Originally posted by Ambush Master
My kids also like my Beretta 21.
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I have a Beretta 21 (.22LR)... It is very finicky concerning ammo brands. Otherwise, a great little pocket pistol - although I wouldn't use it for "target" practice.
Best thing about it, the barrel can be unlatched/pivoted and this allows for clearing/loading without having to rack the slide. This is a much safer and easier method than having to rack/clear a regular semi-auto. My wife enjoys this feature and I would recommend for new gun owners not familiar with semi-auto pistols/safety.
Nothing like the assurance of seeing the barrel hinged open and visually being able to confirm the chamber is empty/gun is not functional- especially with younger ones or less firearm familiar types.
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08-23-2004, 11:56
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Re: I was actually thinking the same thing...
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Glock 17 though.
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Concur, get the Ciener .22 conversion.
I have 1911 .22LR match pistols, a Ruger, and the Cadillac, a Smith 41, and think you will find that the 41 is a match pistol, and weighs accordingly.
There are Ciener conversions for the Glock, 1911s (don't you still have at least one of those around?), the Beretta 92, the Browning Hi-Power, the AR15, AK, Mini-14, and Thompson SMG.
The conversions run from $199 to $250 in most cases, and swap out in seconds.
http://www.22lrconversions.com/
HTH.
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08-23-2004, 12:05
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I would get the kit for whatever weapon will be the end item and go with that. One set of characteristics, one set of manipulation procedures, etc. One set of holsters, etc. Muscle memory should be considerably faster.
Just a thought.
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08-23-2004, 12:05
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sacamuelas
I have a Beretta 21 (.22LR)... It is very finicky concerning ammo brands. Otherwise, a great little pocket pistol - although I wouldn't use it for "target" practice plinking.
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I Have had very few problems with the Beretta, Only when I fed it REALLY bad ammo did it hiccup. Thunderbolt, Wildcat, Viper, Yellowjacket, and Stinger have all worked just fine all of my life.
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08-23-2004, 12:15
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Also, The SIG Trailside line seem to be very nice pistols.
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08-23-2004, 12:30
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Quote:
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I would get the kit for whatever weapon will be the end item and go with that. One set of characteristics, one set of manipulation procedures, etc. One set of holsters, etc. Muscle memory should be considerably faster.
Just a thought.
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Exactly. Makers for a great tactical trainer.
My M-16 .22 LR conversion kit stays in my ready bag. Runs like a top, and sounds like a suppressed weapon compared to the 5.56. I could dump an entire 30 round mag into the head of an E Target at 10 meters in one long burst. That cost less than three rounds of 5.56 Ball.
Once the AWB sunsets, and 30 round mags are available again, I may get a dedicated upper made for it.
Have you checked to see if H&K makes a conversion for your pistol? I know they have for several others.
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08-23-2004, 13:43
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You might consider a Marvel ( http://www.marvelprecision.com/) conversion kit for 1911's, STI/SVI, or Para Ordnance.
Advantage Arms ( www.advantagearms.com) makes the best .22 conversion for the Glock.
For a dedicated pistol I would probably choose the Ruger 22/45 4" bull in Stainless.
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08-23-2004, 13:58
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Re: Re: I was actually thinking the same thing...
Sir, I'm not sure whether to curse you or thank you - looks like I'm out another $200. I had been blissfully ignorant of Ciener's Beretta conversions.
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08-23-2004, 14:00
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Also, The SIG Trailside line seem to be very nice pistols.
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Interesting - that seems to be the same pistol from my last link - but rebadged as a Sig.
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08-23-2004, 14:03
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Can marksmanship with higher caliber pistols be improved from practice with a .22?
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Very much so and much cheaper. Using a .22 during marksmanship practice will often show where the faults occur when firing larger caliber pistols. It’s hard to hide a “controlled jerk” when using a .22.
It’s also a step up from dry firing practice and a whole lot less boring.
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08-23-2004, 14:06
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TS have you considered just getting a .22 conversion kit for your master blaster?
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As you have astutely pointed out, it’s for another in my family.
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08-23-2004, 14:09
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Quote:
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Interesting - that seems to be the same pistol from my last link - but rebadged as a Sig.
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Sorry about that Man, same gun. I didn't check your Link. We have sold several of these guns in the past and they are every bit as nice as the Full house Hammerli guns that I have seen. I know that the ones we have had were marked as Sig with references to Hammerli throughout the included booklets. Nice pistols no matter who Posts them.
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08-23-2004, 14:28
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Quote:
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It’s also a step up from dry firing practice and a whole lot less boring.
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You just need to turn on CNN, ABC news, etc and it makes dry firing a WHOLE lot more fun. I can't tell you how many times I have dead centered James carville... Then dropped a mag and reloaded while tucker made a counter point. 
Back to thread.....
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08-23-2004, 14:36
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Quote:
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You just need to turn on CNN, ABC news, etc and it makes dry firing a WHOLE lot more fun. I can't tell you how many times I have dead centered James carville... Then dropped a mag and reloaded while tucker made a counter point.
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Gotta be real careful doing that. I've got a friend that Center-Punched Johnny Carson on his Sony Trinitron with a Model 29 !!!!
Believe it or not, the Tube contained the 240gr 1/2 Jacketed HP !!
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