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Old 06-09-2011, 23:19   #16
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I just about recovered from this and all I can say is this is absolute torture for those who have it.

I went to a podotrist (foot specialist?) who figured out in part why I was having problems and made some suggestions which have ultimately proved extremely beneficial.

1. I had over pronating feet which meant I had to change the type of running shoes I used for ultra marathons (100k-250k races) and every day use. I am now using Asics Nimbus Gel running shoes which are fantastic on the feet.

2. I do some very basic stretching exercises for the feet when the pain hit in the mornings and nights which helped a lot.

3. I had to lose weight and it meant off loading 15kg which has helped.

4. Had to do more stretching exercises for the achilles and calf muscles before training and a proper warm down after training.

5. I use 2XU calf support tights to race with and 2XU long tights to sleep in to help with blood circulation. I think it MAYBE helps 3%-5% so don't expect miracles but for me, I find I wake up the next day feeling much better rather than sore. I can't say if the 2XU stuff is making the difference but I think a combination of all 4 things above plus sleeping with the compression tights do help blood circulation in the feet.

If you are using combat boots or standard trekking boots, you need to get insoles customed made for your feet and/or to give more cushioning for your heel and mid-foot.

Hope it helps someone.

My PF problems also coincided with lower back problems I have suffered so it's possible several things have brought this about.
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Old 06-10-2011, 05:15   #17
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I'm walking 4-6 miles a day now. I am able to stay on my feet 12+ hours without pain. I am having no issues and consider my PF to have completely resolved, knock on wood. I am slowly and gradually starting to lose the weight I had put on during the three years I was hobbled up.

I am incredibly grateful to be able to stand for more than 1/2 hour at a time and be able to walk farther than 1/8 of a mile again! Until I went through this and lost my mobility, I had no idea just how much it incredibly sucks.

I feel like I have gotten my life back.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:48   #18
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Great Tread!!!!!!!!

I have had Plantar Fasciitis for about 4 years now. Done the stretches, exercises and OTC and Cushion inserts. Nothing really has worked. I’m taking a great made now but don’t have the bottle with me now. I will post later on what meds it is. This really has been the only thing to help me. It also runs in my family. My sister is a avid runner and devolved it four years ago and after some stretching she got rid of it.

I’m 5’10” and was 210ish with about 14% to 16% BF. Since getting Plantar Fasciitis I seem not to break 220 and run as best as I can. Weight has jumped up to 250 before when I’m in shit ton of pain. I flout around 225 to 240 for the last year. For anyone try swimming if you have a pool to get into. It helps out, you just have to work harder and swim harder to lose the weight. Treadmills run on a 3% incline so you get something out of it. I do intervals for 20 to 30 mins on a mill. At 40 y/o and 41 y/o I beat or did better on my AFPT then some of my team mates of <33 y/o. So don’t let it hold you back, you have to learn to work through the pain and BS of Plantar Fasciitis.

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Old 06-16-2011, 12:11   #19
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For me it all started with plantar fasciitis. The best cardio exercise for someone with plantar fasciitis is swimming and riding a bicycle. I used to run and I got plantar fasciitis so I started to swim and cycle. Today I’m better with my PF so I ended up as a triathlete. I have finished my first olympic triathlon race a month ago.
There are many things you can do to treat your PF although I understood that treatment efficiency is very individual. If something works for one it will not necessarily work for the other.
I have found taping very useful. Taping will keep your foot from getting injured again and will help you get through your daily routine and exercises.
I found a very informative website in:
http://www.plantar-fasciitis-elrofeet.com
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Old 06-22-2011, 19:58   #20
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Plantar fasciitis has been with me for four years now, up until last year I had about six months of without s/s then 4 to 6 month flare ups, until last summer when it really hit me, tried everything from custom made orthotics to cortisone shots, nothing worked, did a lot of research and stumbled on several articles on PF and barefoot/minimal shoe running, I had nothing else to lose so i gave it a shot. First month was extremely painful but kept going, by the middle of the second month I was able to run without problems for about four miles, fast forward a year later I have no pain while walking/running/Rucking, I still have some pain but only if you put a lot of pressure on the affected area, I have used the Nike frees ever since and would not try other shoe for running, it works so good that I'm even training for a marathon later this year, if anyone is interested pm me or google PF and barefoot running so you can understand the theory behind this approach, I know several individuals that have tried it and it has worked so far
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Old 06-23-2011, 07:33   #21
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My .02 cents.
I've had Plantar Fascitis for several years now. It comes and goes in severity depending on how much I'm pounding the pavement. At it's worst I've been able to lower the pain/discomfort level considerably by stretching at night before going to bed. This helps probably more than anything else when I first get up in the morning.

I've also all but eliminated running from my normal PT activities. I walk and bike normally now for cardio and it's made a world of difference.

This was probably the best advice for dealing with it over the long haul..."one just decides what one can endure and drives on."
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:40   #22
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Disclaimer: I'll of course add in the initial caveat that I am not a Dr., but I did want to provide my story as it might spark some ideas, etc. I sought out a CHEK Level-IV practitioner with whom I have worked with in the past for another issue. Though the original topic was posted last year, I figured that I'd share some info from my personal experience with a PF issue and add it to the vaults.

My PF Experience: After having been hit with 2 bouts of PF this year, I have learned a lot regarding some potentially very helpful ways of at least managing the issue. My PF issue I believe was caused by an opposite side hip issue which caused a shift in weight to the unaffected side, which then took up more body weight when running, longer ground contact time, etc., and then the resulting PF from bearing too much impact. As another caveat, the first bout was in doing something training-wise which was just stupid. I deviated from my normal training, tried an approach I'd never taken before and got hit with PF. The issue never was really treated, just stretching, and it came back with a vengeance!

A Few Potential Causes: This actually leads to one way at looking at PF, as many times an imbalance issue, not just an overuse issue; especially if it is occurring only on 1 side.
http://charlieweingroff.com/pdf/TheT...ggerPoints.pdf

In the doc above, I believe that Dr. Nickelston mentions that you could probably bet on opposite side hip issues. (and I also recommend checking out Weingroff's site, he is MARSOC's lead PT....please don't hammer me on the MARSOC reference ;-)
I just pretty much know in hindsight this was my issue.

Whether the issue is due to hip issues is not something anyone on the internet could actually diagnose. I'd recommend someone like a CHEK Level IV practitioner or someone to start looking at any left/right strength/muscle imbalances. That being said, if you want to go back to hips as a potential culprit, many cases of PF have been traced back to overpronation which also can be the result of improper hip rotation in the form of anterior hip rotation. Tight rectus femoris (and other hip flexors TFL, ITB), illiopsoas (also a hip flexor), lumbar erectors,and lats too can all be culprits in the causing this anterior hip rotation which then can translate in lower extremity compensations such as overpronation. However, folks that run a lot, and even those that are just the opposite and sit on their butts all day likely have tight rectus femoris, hip flexors, etc. and would likely benefit from dedicated work on keeping these muscles stretched well as sedentary folks also get hit with these same muscled becoming overly tight and the resulting postural shifts.

What worked for me at least: As far as what helped me from a treatment end....deep soft tissue work. I use the rounded but still somewhat pointed back end of a screwdriver. I simply didn't want to wait for the order of an NMT tool to come in to give this a go; it worked almost immediately and I kept on using it. Basically I did a lot of very deep strokes all along the bottom of my heel, calcaneus, and even along the bottom of my foot. I did this in multiple directions and get in pretty deep and slow into the heel area tissue., but not on the achilles. I'll do this when squatting and shifting my weight to one foot while in a plantar-flexed position, as well as then sitting on my butt and just pulling my feet back into dorsiflexion and doing the same series of massaging. Typically I really hit the sore and tight areas a little extra in the fascia, but because the fascia lines from the bottom of the foot near the toes all up through the achilles and into the gastroc/soleus area I treat that area as well. In the gastroc/soleus and areas above the achilles I use my thumbs to get in and do the massage work. Basically put my two thumbs together like an arrow point, and run multiple slow deep lines down the gastroc/soleus muscles, and all of the way down to the area right to and above the achilles. The work higher up in the leg is good in case the issue lies there in form of a trigger point and also just in case any resulting overcompensation has started causing trauma which might not be manifesting itself yet.

The old rolling on a golf ball did absolutely nothing for me. For me the deep and direct tissue work is what it took.

Finally, I like some very long fascial stretches of the gastroc/soleus area, in the form of both straight leg and bent knee stretches. I use an angled surface to basically wedge my feet upon, you don't want to try these hanging off of the edge of steps, etc. I go for 3 minutes each side, in both of the two positions. If you are trying these for the first time, you might want to do them in 30 and 60 second holds, alternating sides, as a gradual build-up until you are ready for the longer 3 minute holds. You definitely want to be cautious in not overstretching the first time you do this in the form of putting your foot in too extreme of a stretch position. Where you will have to be cautious is if you get hit with pain especially in the form of extreme tension in the PF area. When I was first doing this after the onset of PF, it was paaaaiiinful. It is also why I'd recommend trying to do the soft tissue work before the stretching as it really takes a lot of tension out of the fascia as well as warming it up.

If you do this, I've always been advised to do all of this on the opposite foot, even if it is not affected. You then run the risk of treating one side and getting better and then getting f*ed on on the other side of the body. Part of massage, NMT, etc., is to provide feedback to the body as well as literally causing some tissue and adhesion breakup. You do this to one side only and it has the potential to cause issues if not balanced out.

Also, go back and forth on both feet/calves, etc. You don't want to beet for minutes upon minutes at a time. The body needs some chance to respond to the stimulus of the massage as well as giving the tissue a break. Don't go overboard the first time you try it.

Personal results: I went from being where I couldn't run for a week due to PF setting in so badly that after that week off, I was stopped cold 5 minutes into a run. Two weeks later I was getting back to some "tempo" effort in some of my runs. A month later I was running 5-6 days per week again. 2 months later I am now back running every day, 2 running workouts per week (10 miles w/ w/u & c/d) and a long run of 12 miles.

Some Extras: What I still do as a precautionary measure if my PF feels a little tweaked is to use a 9V or 6V battery and take electrodes attached to each side and apply them above and below any tight areas in the PF area, for 5 minutes before running. This helps calm area before running if I need it.

This has not been an immediate cure-all and it is something that I still tend to daily. But I am running again and running well. Running specifically (and being Capt. Obvious here) can be a hard activity and very few people want to be told that they will have to do the extras such as which I have to do, to keep running. My PF issue gets better and better and my training is ramping up again. It just comes down to what one really loves doing, I love running and so the extra time staying healthy is worth it to me. (Don't tell this to the general public though, who get an injury and then just give it up and chalk it up to age, or some other excuse). I didn't want to go to a regular Dr. and definitely didn't want to get a cortisone shot as I've read of experiences of some sort of compromising of the fascial tissue quality after the shot. I understand that the shot is for healing but also didn't want to be completely numbed from the pain as it is a signal to me whether something is going wrong, or in the absence of pain, likely a sign of getting better.

Even very elite runners have suffered from PF so I don't view it as age-related, etc. I'd rather have not had the PF issue to begin with. But I do like knowing that I have the knowledge to deal with it while allowing me to carry on.

Anyways, just some info of what has helped me.

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Old 12-26-2011, 15:40   #23
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Old 12-26-2011, 20:05   #24
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I think it is viewable now.

As I was scrolling back through the previous posts, Doctor Porkchop made a comment to which I can also relate. I've never been one to run in very heavy trainers/running shoes. But in the past month have gone back to doing most of my running in a lightweight training/racing flat and this has also helped the issue more. I believe that the increased proprioception helps get a better feel, as well as allowing for some slight adjustments in my stride to and to simply react faster. I also believe that with a more minimal shoe, there is less give or play due to less sole and cushion material that would allow more movement and give in the foot.

In fact I also used to run exclusively in Free's but didnt like some of the changes Nike started making to the line. It didn't take me too long either to get back to more of a training flat for most of my running.

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Old 12-27-2011, 02:55   #25
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I think it is viewable now.

As I was scrolling back through the previous posts, Doctor Porkchop made a comment to which I can also relate. I've never been one to run in very heavy trainers/running shoes. But in the past month have gone back to doing most of my running in a lightweight training/racing flat and this has also helped the issue more. I believe that the increased proprioception helps get a better feel, as well as allowing for some slight adjustments in my stride to and to simply react faster. I also believe that with a more minimal shoe, there is less give or play due to less sole and cushion material that would allow more movement and give in the foot.

In fact I also used to run exclusively in Free's but didnt like some of the changes Nike started making to the line. It didn't take me too long either to get back to more of a training flat for most of my running.

I am using a pair of New Balance barefoot style trail shoes and they are fantastic to wear but a totally different feel from wearing normal running shoes. BUT, they are simply not for people with PF or arthritis of the feet. Maybe it's a case of different strokes for different people perhaps?

Anyways...my PF has subsided..it's the arthirities that's killing me..and I am not touching pain killers or meds to bring down the swelling....just trying hard not to over do things.

It's really a issue with body weight more than anything and putting our feet/ankles through a lot over the years.

Wonder what the soldiers in World War Two had to put up as they aged..i.e. shin splints, busted knee's, ankles, PF, arthirities...etc.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:59   #26
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Very true in regards to different strokes.

I am not saying that any of this is the case as I am not qualified to make any diagnosis, but from what I've learned in picking the brain of more qualified folks, one way of looking at some of what you mentioned and the possible relationship between your PF and your back pain, along with carrying extra weight (in other words a combination of factors even).

Lets look at one possibility in that an anteriorly rotated/tilted pelvis was causing overcompensations further down the kinteic chaing in the form of overpronation and leading to the PF. If the pelvic rotation was due to overly tight hip flexors, this usually coincides with inhibited glute muscles. When the glutes aren't firing propery and are essentially shut off, a lot of the support could easily be taken up by the hamstrings and also the lower back. Many really good PTs will look at the area with the symptoms and then also start checking above and below the kinetic chain. The lower back issues could be a symptom of this.

Again, I'm not saying this is the case, but it is a fairly common occurance and sequence of events from what I understand.

Heck, there could be a lack of scapular stability leading to a rounding of the shoulders. The body's primary instint is to maintain the balance of the noggin' in its position over the body, and this could have then caused gradual pelvic shifts on down. I've even been advised of cases of people having had PF treated by working on the tonus of the cervical extensor muscles because of these connections through the fascial chain.

Really amazing how the body works.

I have also wondered myself about the long-term effects others have had to deal with from continued movement and running in heavy leather boots over the course of a career as compared to modern days. Working in boots is just a part of the job, but there have obviously been huge strides in the mobility and articulation modern boots allow.

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Old 12-28-2011, 00:06   #27
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I am a firm believer your body weight also plays a part in what happens with your hips, knees and feet...not that I am an expert by any stretch of the imagination. All I know is it's brutally painful having PF and it's something I wouldn't wish on anyone.
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The pain is usually distributed in a horseshoe pattern around the outside edge of the bottom of the heel, as well as the center of the bottom of the heel. The pain will extend to encompass the midsole area of the feet as well when I push exercise.
I have similar pain on my left foot and only my left foot. After my 6-7mile run I just couldn't support my weight while walking (running was out of question) and pretty much made me limp. I can however stand up and stay up without any pain, it only comes when I maneuver on my left foot. The pain is as you describe it, a horseshoe formed pain or a half horseshoe, where it goes from the bottom of heel to the outter part of the sole (pain stops midways on plantar fascia)

I am 6'1 and 178,5 pounds.

I've used some anti-inflammatory gel (Voltaren, 11,6 mg/g Gel) and tried some foot stretching it seems to ease the pain, I have yet to talk to my doc.
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Shock-wave therapy for plantar fasciitis

I have tried just about everything. Inserts, custom inserts, got molds, x-rays, shots. Never cut on, never would.

I'm glad this thread got bumped. Friday I got high intensity Shock-wave therapy for my plantar fasciitis. I had it in both feet. I have not had any pain since. This had been hands down the best thing for my treatment. My Doctor had been telling me to do it. But with it being so new in the military I was skeptical.

My .02 do it, if you have planters fasciatus.

For all of the Docs on the broad. One issues I did have happen wad I had rotator surgery back in 2006. Friday evening that shoulder started to hurry just like I a rotator cuff injury. It is pretty much gone now, some minor discomfort. Wondering how I can find out if it is from the shock wave treatment. Yes I have called my Doctor his nurse told me they have never heard of that. Just waiting now on the great Army appt system.
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:27   #30
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My latest battle with PF was ongoing for about 3 months and getting more debilitating. Two thing that are helping.

1. Orthera Orthotic Inserts...Purchased at Costco 2 pairs ( 1 active, 1 dress) for $30. I now have 6 pairs!

http://www.orthera.com/orthotic-foot...rthera-active/

http://www.orthera.com/orthotic-inserts-orthera-dress/.

2. Ace Night Splint...purchased at Walgreens for $33. Later found the same thing (different brand -3M) at Publix (Supermarket) Pharmacy for $25.

http://www.diyhomenetwork.net/free-h...landscape.html


The night splint worked wonders for me......morning pain was almost gone after the first night.
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