08-13-2004, 14:57
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Roger that, TR. I have been researching, and the consensus with these pieces is just as you said, a couple of hundred ball to break it in, then 100+ of the carry ammo to familiarize.
Black T has the reputation as the best... what can you recommend as equal to it, Rubberneck?
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08-14-2004, 21:50
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Originally posted by Alex F
Roger that, TR. I have been researching, and the consensus with these pieces is just as you said, a couple of hundred ball to break it in, then 100+ of the carry ammo to familiarize.
Black T has the reputation as the best... what can you recommend as equal to it, Rubberneck?
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Black T is merely a variation on a theme. It's reputation was cemented when Springfield submitted their Professional model for the FBI HRT/SWAT bid and is no the "in" finish.
Don't get me wrong it is a great finish but there are close to a half dozen polymer finishes out there with the durability of Black-T. Tripp Research's Cobra coat comes to mind (his turn around is 7 shop days), dura kote is excellent as well, also take a look at Robar's Roguard finish (I think they are a month to a month and a half) the Reaper seems to really like their NP3 electroless nickle plating (if you don't mind a white gun).
There are others but bare in mind what every polymer coat you put on will wear off one day just like bluing or parkerizing, it just takes much longer. If you want a finish that lasts nearly forever you can bead blast it and then hard chrome for a nice flat matte look (or you can have it polished and chromed if you are into the pimp look  ).
Good luck. If you need more info I have phone numbers and web address somewhere in my office.
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08-14-2004, 22:17
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Black T is basically Black Teflon, and a number of people do it, as rn stated, Gander Mountain and Cylinder & Slide offer the Black Teflon on a pistol for around $200.
NP3 is a combination of Teflon and Electroless nickel and should not wear through, flake, corrode, or otherwise come off. If you do not want a stainless colored, very slightly slick to the touch finish, look elsewhere, or get everything but the upper half plated in NP3 and get the upper done in Roguard (Robar's molybdenum-disulfide based polymer) for the two-tone look.
Here is one of Robar's two-tone Roguard/NP3 pistols.
TR
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08-16-2004, 08:24
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Thanks for the intel gentlemen. I don't mind a two tone or even all silverish pistol as it's a CCW piece, not a tactical weapon.
Looks like some very good options here.... one last question for you: in your experience, is getting the mags done in the same finish worth the trouble/expense? I've seen the service offered but very little in the way of reviews on why.
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08-16-2004, 09:50
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Thanks for the intel gentlemen. I don't mind a two tone or even all silverish pistol as it's a CCW piece, not a tactical weapon.
Looks like some very good options here.... one last question for you: in your experience, is getting the mags done in the same finish worth the trouble/expense? I've seen the service offered but very little in the way of reviews on why.
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Most of the finishes will slick them up for easier feeding, loading, and unloading, and most mag bodies tend to rust, especially in CCW.
Downside is that it can be expensive.
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08-16-2004, 10:00
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What Reaper said. Tripp's research will do extra mags, in either hard chrome or their polymer coat for $15 per mag.
On the plus side Virgil Tripp, the original designer of the STI series of guns, is an excellent 1911 smith who could do your work and then finish the gun for you for a reasonable price and a good turn around time.
I have spoken with him on two occassions and he seems to be a great guy. One of the guys I shot IDPA with has a custom 1911 done by him and it is pretty damn close to perfect.
www.trippresearch.com
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08-16-2004, 10:32
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Thanks for the link. I'll shoot them a call and see what I can work out.
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08-24-2004, 11:18
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From the thread Para's have a good reputation. It looks like a couple of people rely on them heavily. Any feedback on the single stack SSP that came out this year?
Thanks
Mike
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