Biggest CCW

[DJ Urbanovsky]

Already kinda been done. I saw an article on a 12 gauge derringer in a gun rag back in the 80's. Thing only had about enough barrel to contain the shell, and a big long trigger. Looked pretty awesome, and they actually shot the thing, but I'm not sure I'd want to. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

[Mycroft]

Wouldn't this still fall under Title 2 as either a destructive device or AOW? (AOW if designed as a shotgun with pistol grip, DD if designed as a pistol that happens to also be capable of shooting shotgun shells.)

The real sticking point is the caliber of the weapon if you want to market it as a pistol.

For reference on the DD portion, we have the Desert Eagle, .50AE.

Original blueprints had been to use .510" diameter rounds (like the .50 BMG), but the polygonal rifling of the final prototype Desert Eagle allowed the .50 caliber bore plug to drop through, thus rendering the gun a destructive device under Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) regulations (this no longer applies on current models). Nominal bullet diameter was reduced to the current 0.500 inch (12.7 mm).

Sadly, that specific quote does not appear sourced, but the logic seems sound.

For reference on the AOW portion, we have the Serbu Super Shorty, an AOW (NOT a short barrel shotgun under Title 2.)

That being said, the SSS with the mini slugs may work out for you if your state has AOWs on the allowed list.

Finally, I do believe that Montana allows you to make your own guns with up to 1.5 inch barrels so long as you use materials and labor in Montana for the purpose of owning the weapon in Montana. That law has not yet been tested in court however as far as I am aware.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana...ms_Freedom_Act is the link to the wiki article on the Montana law I mentioned.

[mark46th]

Next time you are in Thailand, try and find a local and ask him where guns are sold. Back in the 46th Co days, you could get a single shot 12 gauge pistol made by a local gun maker(I wouldn't exactly call the local guy a gunsmith). A medic friend of mine had one. I wouldn't have fired it but I guess it made him feel protected...

[MVP]

I'm going to have to talk with my BATF enforcement guy to get a clarification but I think I have my test base; an HK flare pistol. There are folks making cartridge adapters to put 12ga in 26mm flare guns so I'm thinking I may be able to built my test pistol using a piece of rifled tube turned to fit the HK. I'm wondering if incerting an adaptor qualifies as "manufacturing a firearm".

I would cut the chamber about 3 inches deep and use a brass shotgun shell cut to 2.5 inches loaded with a slug. Pressures should not be an issue, I could use a very reduced load to get this started.

Not fond of the HK's grip angle but what the hell, its only for concept...

MVP

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by MVP

There are folks making cartridge adapters to put 12ga in 26mm flare guns

Don't quote me, But I think I read a couple years ago, possibly on Weaponeer, that the 12 ga inserts are all plastic to keep ATF at bay.

Plastic barrels fall into the Darwin class of weapons,, gets U that annual award....

But ya never no,, with a new occupant in the WH,, things may change...


Now if you do get a go... How about taking an old 12 ga Remington/Ithaca/Browning barrel and using it as your "tube".. Glass it into the 26mm's barrel and you should be GTG??

[Bill Harsey]

About those big bore handguns and the Nitro Exress rifles and recoil...
maybe I'm just getting old and weak but based on personnel experience some of that stuff can almost take the fun out of shooting.

I had the chance to shoot a JD Jones custom built .577 Nitro Express rifle built on a Ruger No.1 action, absolutely beautiful craftsmanship and light as a nice 20 gauge field gun. Now JD is going to call me a wimp but that rifle did have a little noticeable recoil

The real big bore handguns can ruin your wrist after enough rounds...not saying don't shoot them but if working with your hands is important use a little caution.

Will be paying attention to how this project turns out.

[MVP]

Here is a picture of an HK flare gun. Can you imagine the impression looking down this barrel would make? Hell, thinking about it I could just carry it around loaded with a flare cartridge and call it good...

MVP

[Kyobanim]

Addendum to the "recoil is not your friend"

Don't let this happen when you're breeching . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvQJs...eature=related

[rdret1]

Originally Posted by Kyobanim

Addendum to the "recoil is not your friend"

Don't let this happen when you're breeching . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvQJs...eature=related

ROFLMAO! Are those the "Spetznaz" striped shorts? HA!