Reliable Pistol - Page 2

99meters · 04-09-2010, 02:27

I recently sold a Hk P30 .40cal I had bought for my wife added a few hundred and bought a glock 17 for her and a glock 23c for my self.
I took the G17 to the range and shot a little over 200 rds no problems. Nice gun.

MeC86 · 04-09-2010, 08:53

My vote is for Glock as well. I've had a 17 for about 7 years and It has never once had a failure to fire. Id estimate over 25,000 rounds through it and treated like shit.

There are guns that I shoot better with (kimber, hk45) but for reliability I think a glock is pretty solid.

Tacticalinterve · 04-09-2010, 09:15

Having done the Range Duty thing in PD for twenty years and millions of rounds down range I have come to the conclusion the Glock 17 is the most reliable pistol on planet for the money. Now I still prefer the 1911s when hand tuned but by the time you ahve one that runs witha Glock 17 for reliability you have over 1250.00 in it.

Now the stopping power of a nine lacks compared to a 40 or 45 so if I was you I would pick up a Glock 22, which is basically a 17 in 40 SxW

koz · 04-09-2010, 09:36

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Originally Posted by Tacticalinterve

Now the stopping power of a nine lacks compared to a 40 or 45 so if I was you I would pick up a Glock 22, which is basically a 17 in 40 SxW

http://concealedcarryholsters.org/wp...e-Shootout.pdf

It's more about shot placement...

I watched a guy in Sao Paulo get shot at pointblank range with .45 Black Talons (two shots) in the chest, he looked down, drew his gun and returned fire.

The will to live is pretty incredible.

Tacticalinterve · 04-09-2010, 10:46

Koz, its a long time prejudice of mine. Heck shoot one guy witha nine three times in chest and have him walk away and you have it ingrained for life.

I was a victim of the FBI recomendation to use 115 Silver Tips back a coupl of decades ago. LOL Not one got deep enough to do any real damage.

Now obviously shot placment is important but bringing a load is also important. Who here if had a choice would pick getting shot with 45 over a 9mm?

DinDinA-2 · 04-09-2010, 22:27

The potential recipients of your rounds vary so much, that the largest caliber you can accurately deliver to the target is the one I would choose...and now have chosen, a 45 ACP (HK of course). A 38+P JHP Speer has done the job for me, decades ago, with the assistance of a partner with like rounds. Was that my choice of caliber..no. Dept policy dictated at that time. Have seen head shots, social shootings, who have tipped over only to get up and continue the social conflict until separated by us peace keepers.

The point is that a stopping/killing shot delivered,in your home, to a criminal is such a crap shoot because of the wide range of the target's ability to handle the shot. Clothing, substance influence, physical characteristics and just plain toughness are just some of the influences as to how a target will fall. With that in mind, a 9mm doesn't do it.

As for the pistol of choice...why choose one that can prefers to be dry, a bit dirty, wet...get one that doesn't care, just runs and is, as they say, is "drop dead reliable", regardless what is costs. Research and comments by the QPs will guide you.

regular guy · 04-10-2010, 00:29

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Originally Posted by Tacticalinterve

Koz, its a long time prejudice of mine. Heck Who here if had a choice would pick getting shot with 45 over a 9mm?

It would depend if I am wearing armor or not

Buffalobob · 04-10-2010, 05:23

I would say Thanks, to everyone for their advice. It seems that a Glock or Springfield XD is going to be a good choice. I really did not know Springfield had such a good reputation.

The Glock 34 has about one inch more of barrel than the Glock 17 which will be helpful for an amateur like me if I put Trijcon sights on it. Also if I ever decide to shoot three gun competition then I have something to play with.

I will go and handle the Glock and XD and see how they feel being as the gun has to point correctly for me or else it is worthless.

If y'all wish to have fun debating caliber you are free to continue that, but I am not into that. I have a S&W 460 for protection in grizzly bear country so I know what stopping power means. For home use, I could go up to a .40 cal and load it light but then I would have to worry about spring rates etc. so it is best for me to just go with the 9mm which is what I can manage accurately.

As afar as shotguns go, I have a lot of them but either it has too be already loaded or you have to fumble around with shells in the dark. I do not wish to have a loaded gun in my home. The whole object here is to have the minimum activity necessary to be fully armed.

Appreciate the information and the best thing is that it comes from people who actually know.

JJ_BPK · 04-10-2010, 06:45

Bob

I've held off commenting because one of my favorites is not on your list.

Figure it's about time..

Smith & Wesson Performance Center weapons are some of the least thought of but highly respected bang sticks available.

I have had many S&W and never had a complaint. I do have a bias to wheel guns, but enjoy the pistols.

As your may be on your way to the LGS, take a look at any of the S&W PC offerings they may have.

Because the PC guns are all limited editions, your LGS may not have a large selection. Sometimes the gun show is the only place to find any.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...category=15701

One reason I like S&W is the lifetime warranty on 3rd gen weapons. This also includes 2nd, 3rd party sales. You do not have to be the ORIGINAL purchaser.

Additionally S&W has options to send your weapon to the PC for tuning and other aftermarket accessorization(sic).

Which brings up another goody. If you purchase a used decon-LEO weapon, you can send it to S&W and they will test and fix, I believe for FREE.. AND do tune-up's for a modest price.

Just another opinion...

SF-TX · 04-10-2010, 07:06

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Originally Posted by koz

http://concealedcarryholsters.org/wp...e-Shootout.pdf

A little irony in the tattoo's on the deceased:

What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger

Live By The Gun Die By The Gun

monsterhunter · 04-10-2010, 09:18

I've carried the same Beretta 92FS for 18 years now. Thousands of rounds have gone down range without one malfunction. The current ammo issue is Ranger SXT which has proven to be very effective. I haven't had to use it on a person myself; however, a couple of terrorist pitbulls went immediately to their 72 (or whatever the currnent numer is) virgins with one shot and a fast drop. I highly recommend it. I'm also hearing very good things about the Sig.

I had a stove pipe on time while shooting a compact Beretta 92. It was with several other rounds being fired, but the rails were dry. They no longer make this version.

mojaveman · 04-10-2010, 11:26

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Originally Posted by koz

http://concealedcarryholsters.org/wp...e-Shootout.pdf

It's more about shot placement...

I watched a guy in Sao Paulo get shot at pointblank range with .45 Black Talons (two shots) in the chest, he looked down, drew his gun and returned fire.

The will to live is pretty incredible.

That was a very interesting report. If true, it's intriguing that the .40 S&W rounds that the officers fired from about twenty feet only penetrated the assailants body by 1".

dr. mabuse · 04-11-2010, 12:22

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99meters · 04-12-2010, 00:59

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Originally Posted by Buffalobob

The Glock 34 has about one inch more of barrel than the Glock 17 which will be helpful for an amateur like me if I put Trijcon sights on it. Also if I ever decide to shoot three gun competition then I have something to play with.

For home use, I could go up to a .40 cal and load it light but then I would have to worry about spring rates etc. so it is best for me to just go with the 9mm which is what I can manage accurately.

Consider buying the G35, it has that extra inch over the G22/G17 that you want. The other good thing is you can buy a drop in 9mm barrel from Lone wolf for around a $100. You can also get a drop in barrel for .357sig. Kinda like three guns in one.
I plan on getting the 9mm drop in for my G23.

HTH

**The Reaper** · 04-12-2010, 05:41

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Originally Posted by 99meters

Consider buying the G35, it has that extra inch over the G22/G17 that you want. The other good thing is you can buy a drop in 9mm barrel from Lone wolf for around a $100. You can also get a drop in barrel for .357sig. Kinda like three guns in one.
I plan on getting the 9mm drop in for my G23.

HTH

I do not believe that the slides are the same for all of those rounds, or all you would need to convert is a barrel.

The 9x19 and the .40/.357 SIG have different case head diameters, and consequently, different breech faces, not to mention slide weight is probably different.

TR