New duty Pistol

[kawika]

p2000sk is an excellent pistol. I would use that for my daily carry, but I already have a USP compact and I don't really want to pay more to trade mine in and upgrade it. If I didn't have a USP compact already that would probably be it, especially as CDNN has them for around 725 with a 40 S&W and 357 sig barrel included in their package. Only complaint I have with H&K is their mags are expensive and the follow up shots take slightly longer due to the low grip angle producing more muzzle flip than its competitors. I love it for CCW use though as i'm always 100 percent certain that it will function and price for something like that isn't really a concern.

I agree with Tom on the glocks, its a long shot but since it is 40 S&W their is a higher chance of a catastrophic failure. Factory ammo almost negates this but shooting +P continously probably isn't ideal.

Keep us posted. Watch out for that M&P though. Like I said earlier the first 200-400 rounds the trigger is pretty gritty as the surfaces that produce friction are still rubbing against each other and haven't "buffed out" yet. After that its all gravy though.

[ZooKeeper]

Originally Posted by Peregrino

KG - Good luck with the XD. I wish I had the test data to support your quest. Can you contact Springfield or are there conflict issues?

FWIW, If you can get it approved, you'll be very pleased. The XDm in .40 is the best "tactical tupperware" I've ever played with. Glocks aren't even in the same game. Everybody I've recommended one to has been happy with the choice. I've had my XDs long enough that I'm ready to start "tweaking", something that's not really needed with the XDm. I'm putting Springer Precision trigger kits I just got delivered from Brownells in this weekend. Night sights are next.

Let us know what you think after you install the trigger kit. Had Scott at Springer Precision do mine...in my opinion, took a good gun to a great gun.

[STR8SHTR]

kgoerz from my experience the M&P is a very accurate and reliable handgun. I just returned a T&E M&P chambered in .357 SIG . It had over 6500 rounds through it and made it through a TigerSwan/ Brian Searcy three day class with only one malfunction caused by me.

Also, I do firearms contract work for the NC DOC who uses the M&P .40. The only malfunctions I see on the range with them are either ammo or shooter related.

The things that I liked about the M&P:

Multiple back straps so you can fit different size shooters

Light weight

Less felt recoil than other pistols that I have shot in the same caliber

Totally ambidextrous



If I were going to replace our SIG P229's today I would have to look very hard at the M&P.


Jeff

[Mycroft]

If you don't mind me throwing one more option into the pool, the Beretta Px4 in .40 is a very nice fullsize handgun. If you prefer hammer fired over striker fired handguns it should definitely be something that you look at. The standard mag capacity is 14 rounds, 17 with the extended mags.

Here are the weapon specs from their site: http://px4storm.com/index.aspx?m=53&did=48

Here is something not mentioned on the site.

The F configuration (safety that also functions as a decocker) can be converted to a G configuration (decocker only configuration) with very little work. I did it myself with the assistance of an internet howto and youtube videos (First time I ever disassembled a slide, YAY!), and the process is fully reversible.

Field stripping and cleaning the weapon is simple enough to do blindfolded the first time around. The factory sights are glow in the dark sights, you'll probably want to replace them with tritium sights.

I used to have some data on police departments that switched to it and their thoughts, but my computer hard drive melted down on me so I no longer have said data.

I had this data when I was researching what fullsize gun I should carry myself for personal protection. The runner up was the S&W M&P, which I also found to be a nice gun. The Px4 won my vote for ease of disassembly, being hammer fired, and higher mag capacity with extended mags.

I currently own the 9mm version of the Px4 with a Kramer IWB holster.

Hopefully this information helps you out.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Mycroft

If you don't mind me throwing one more option into the pool, the Beretta Px4 in .40 is a very nice fullsize handgun. If you prefer hammer fired over striker fired handguns it should definitely be something that you look at. The standard mag capacity is 14 rounds, 17 with the extended mags.

Here are the weapon specs from their site: http://px4storm.com/index.aspx?m=53&did=48

Here is something not mentioned on the site.

The F configuration (safety that also functions as a decocker) can be converted to a G configuration (decocker only configuration) with very little work. I did it myself with the assistance of an internet howto and youtube videos (First time I ever disassembled a slide, YAY!), and the process is fully reversible.

Field stripping and cleaning the weapon is simple enough to do blindfolded the first time around. The factory sights are glow in the dark sights, you'll probably want to replace them with tritium sights.

I used to have some data on police departments that switched to it and their thoughts, but my computer hard drive melted down on me so I no longer have said data.

I had this data when I was researching what fullsize gun I should carry myself for personal protection. The runner up was the S&W M&P, which I also found to be a nice gun. The Px4 won my vote for ease of disassembly, being hammer fired, and higher mag capacity with extended mags.

I currently own the 9mm version of the Px4 with a Kramer IWB holster.

Hopefully this information helps you out.

How many rounds do you have through that Beretta so far?

TR

[Mycroft]

I purchased it 2 years ago and would fire 100 rounds per month of Winchester white box ammo with about 4 handgun courses intersperced where I fired between 200-300 rounds each. About 200 rounds of Remington golden sabers to make sure they would work fine before I started carrying them.

So a bit over 3000 rounds so far. I've had zero malfunctions so far. If I can find my camera when I get home I'll upload photos.

For the moment though, the wikipedia page has a couple nice pictures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Px4

As an aside, I've stopped going to the range monthly and I'm sticking to dry firing and airsoft (don't laugh) for the majority of my practice. Hopefully when the run on guns and ammo slows down I'll be able to go shoot again.

EDIT: I just realized the wiki page has a list of some departments that now use the Px4. You may be able to contact them to get their take on the weapon as well.
EDIT2: My roommate "borrowed" my camera. Pictures will have to wait for another day.

[allester666]

Cant go wrong with an XDM, I have one in 9mm about 1000 rounds so far no issues and it shoots like a champ. I took it out to an IDPA shoot a month and a half ago and shot a damn near perfect score. Great ergonomics for me, most who have shot it will agree. I know of one guy who preferred the M&P over the XDM due to his discomfort with the hand grip, while I found that the M&P and I didn't agree in that aspect. Try out both before you (or your unit) purchase's if possible.

[Blitzzz (RIP)]

9mm.40 cal or 45 cal.

I have and shoot them all and would prefere as a side arm a .45. Just because.you can really hurt shit with it.
Colt, Ruger, Sig, HK, XD. Berretta if they have one.
40 is nice and hurts too but difficult cal to supply the military.
I just am personally too sick of the undependable hurt put on by a 9mm.

I know what I say here has little to do with the purchase of duty weapons but...It's easier to put a second round if needed into a target on the ground than one moving. Blitzzz

[Utah Bob]

My department switched to Glock 22s about a year before I retired. They were excellent. The officers qual scores actually improved. I'd have one now if I wasn't such a 1911 freak.

[doctom54]

Originally Posted by Blitzzz

9mm.40 cal or 45 cal.

I have and shoot them all and would prefere as a side arm a .45.

...It's easier to put a second round if needed into a target on the ground than one moving. Blitzzz

LMAO
I concur

[airbn5]

Any input on the 226? We're in the process of transitioning to the Sig226 from the XD9. We initially had some factory issues with the XD, but they were resolved. I was amazed at how good a neighbor's XD felt in comparison to my duty pistol. His was very tight and felt good. Mine was new from the factory 3-4 years ago and had to be returned to re-blue the slide right after it came in. It never felt as tight (different tolerances?) Not sure if the Croatia stamp on the mags and slide would have anything to do with this or not We were given the choice between the M&P, Sig, or H&K. I personally favored the H&K only in a .45. (I'm with Blitzz on the caliber issue). When we asked about the H&K we were told the trigger was too light?!?!?!

[Blitzzz (RIP)]

Lord Knows we don't what light triggers, could keep us from pulling a round. LOL Blitzzz

[Ken Brock]

Originally Posted by Utah Bob

My department switched to Glock 22s about a year before I retired. They were excellent. The officers qual scores actually improved. I'd have one now if I wasn't such a 1911 freak.

my department has been using them since 1996 and we've had no problems to speak of

the .40 cal Glock is the most issued gun in this state's law enforcement agencies

As an adjunct instructor at the Police Academy I've thousands of .40 Glocks used and never witnessed one of these "catastrophic" failures

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by ZooKeeper

Let us know what you think after you install the trigger kit. Had Scott at Springer Precision do mine...in my opinion, took a good gun to a great gun.

Wanted to hold off replying until I had a chance to test fire them. Put 100 rds apiece through them Sunday and couldn't be happier. Doing it myself saved enough on shipping and handling to budget night sites for one of them. It was NOT a drop in. ATD and some patience (about an hour apiece) got me where I wanted to be. XDTalk.com was an invaluable resource.

[ZooKeeper]

Originally Posted by Peregrino

Wanted to hold off replying until I had a chance to test fire them. Put 100 rds apiece through them Sunday and couldn't be happier. Doing it myself saved enough on shipping and handling to budget night sites for one of them. It was NOT a drop in. ATD and some patience (about an hour apiece) got me where I wanted to be. XDTalk.com was an invaluable resource.

Thanks for the reply & good to hear.

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