Recurving trauma plates? - Page 2

**Bill Harsey** · 06-21-2004, 09:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Guy

Before recurving, I would contact the the company that made them first.

I've made contact with the outfit they bought them from, waiting for answer. This is not the question they wanted either.

Viking · 07-12-2004, 00:39

Just curious. I have the plates that say protection up to 7.62mm armor piercing. Does anyone have any intel on what will happen with these plates and no soft armor underneath. they are made by ceradyne.

Smokin Joe · 07-12-2004, 07:30

Viking,

Few plates can provide stand alone protection.

Is this what you have?

If so they don't have enough info on there web page to tell if they provide stand alone protection or not. If I were you I would call them.

Hoplite · 07-12-2004, 07:40

DO most plates splinter or send fragments on the back side when they are hit with a round they are rated for or do they remain intact?

Viking · 07-12-2004, 09:23

Thanks for the info. I e-mailed them one time and never got a response. They aren't stand alone. We had the ones that said protection for M80 7.62 Ball. Before we deployed, we got the ones for AP. They don't say stand-alone, but most of us just wear them in a plate carrier. I wish the army would pull the tab on some stand alones but they wouldn't. a guy in my company bought some from DBT and paid a boatload of money.

Smokin Joe · 07-12-2004, 09:51

Hoplite,

I have no idea.

Viking,

I just called Ceradyne Inc. for you (figuring you maybe in a place that makes it difficult for you to call them). I'm waiting to hear back from there Engineer. Can you give me specifics on the plates such as a NSN number, product code, or the name of your plate?

Viking · 07-12-2004, 09:58

thanks a million. give me a couple of minutes. my biggest question is will i survive if hit and no soft armor underneath? i know it will mess me up, but getting shot isn't supposed to be fun is it?

Viking · 07-12-2004, 10:02

It's Ballistic Upgrade Plate MCN 8470-01-F01-0287
7.62 Hard Steel Core Armor Piercing when over soft armor. So, if hit with regular AK what will happen? Just curious. thanks, the phone is touch and go sometimes.

Smokin Joe · 07-12-2004, 10:11

Not a problem. I will post as soon as the guy calls me back.

Viking · 07-12-2004, 10:16

Thanks, we're about to have a team meeting, but i will be back on later.

**Bill Harsey** · 07-12-2004, 13:38

just a brief note, I never got a return call from that oufit the armor originally came from that started this thread. Smokin' Joe, Thanks for the follow up, if you need help, PM me.

Smokin Joe · 07-12-2004, 13:41

I'm playing phone tag with the engineer.

Thank you Blademaster, I will if I hit a snag.

Smokin Joe · 07-12-2004, 14:20

Viking,

*Disclaimer- they have no solid data because they have not shot the plate without a level III+ vest behind it.*

*The plate was designed to be worn with a III+ vest but if you ellect not to wear the soft armor here is what you can expect.

It will probably stop 2 A.P. hits.
1 hit for sure
The more hits you take the more backface deformation will occur. After 2 hits it gets real iffy.
The backface shouldn't flake or splinter.

Shit I gotta run. More later.

Sinister · 07-12-2004, 14:55

If they're Ceradyne SAPI plates you've probably got a high-pressure molded boron-carbide ceramic plate, not a steel plate. I imagine if you try bending it it'll crack and be useless.

If it was a homogeneous steel plate you could get a bend in it, but you'd also want to Magnaflux and x-ray it to make sure you hadn't put in stress cracks.

I never understood just using a steel plate in a carrier. once you get a ball round smacking your plate face it'll frag, sending all kinds of spall straight up into your throat and lower jaw area (even if it's got a spall liner on it. That round will spall in 360 degrees from the actual impact point if it was a straight-on hit).

Guy · 07-12-2004, 17:25

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Originally posted by Sinister
I never understood just using a steel plate in a carrier. once you get a ball round smacking your plate face it'll frag, sending all kinds of spall straight up into your throat and lower jaw area (even if it's got a spall liner on it. That round will spall in 360 degrees from the actual impact point if it was a straight-on hit).

Soft armor also covers more of the upper torso.

Types of rounds are not the only things you have to worry about...IED/VBIEDs, shrapnel, etc.

Provide protection too the chest area should you happen to get in a vehicle accident.