11-11-2008, 22:12
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Redneck Knifemaker
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Originally Posted by Bill Harsey
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Kydex forms nicely to the shape of the blade even if Mr. Ken Brock always has to do things his way. 
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Mr. Harsey, you know I always do things the hard way! (ie. the redneck way)
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11-12-2008, 09:22
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Excellent thread, guys! Y'all are schooling me.
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11-12-2008, 15:10
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Bladesmith to the Quiet Professionals
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Originally Posted by CPTAUSRET
Excellent thread, guys! Y'all are schooling me.
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Let us know how far away you have to stand from the jet exhaust to get a good heat on the Kydex. 
Had a question about where to get the Cleco fasteners for test fitting. These work so good I should have kept this classified.
I got mine from Spencer Aircraft or spenceraircraft.com
The phone is: 253-848-9349 and the last time I spoke with them, there was no minimum order.
If you use these, you will need the Clecos in the correct size for your rivet holes and one Cleco Pliers hand tool for inserting and removing. They are not usable without the pliers.
Last edited by Bill Harsey; 11-12-2008 at 15:16.
Reason: OOPS! That was the fax no. Now corrected
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11-16-2008, 23:05
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This is real good. Can you explain the process to putting the belt loops on when you get a chance?
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11-19-2008, 10:31
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
This is real good. Can you explain the process to putting the belt loops on when you get a chance?
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Belt loops will add extra thickness to the "stack" (combined thickness of all the layers together). The first thing I would do is make sure I have rivets or bolts long enough to hold it all together.
Hole layout is next. Belt loop has to be wide enough to hit the hole locations on the sides of the sheath. Choosing hole locations is important as we work at the top of the sheath because this changes how the sheath works if it is a clamping fit around the handle and guard area. The closer the rivet is to the top, the shorter and stiffer the spring tension of the Kydex is.
Accurate hole placement is important. I layout on kydex with a silver pencil then use a sharp locating punch to indicate the center of the hole. Do not drive the punch all the way thru the Kydex.
Next step is drilling a pilot hole with something like 1/16th or
3/32nd inch drill then using the final size drill, like the 3/16ths inch. The pilot hole keeps the drill centered as drills tend to "walk" all over the surface of kydex when starting.
If the belt loop is being added to an existing sheath, one might want to remove the top rivets to use the same holes for the belt loop attachment. I do this by drilling through the top of the rivet with a "just barely" big enough drill. If the rivets are in 3/16ths holes, I would use 3/16th drill. Drill until the top web of the rivet is gone or can be peeled away. Push out remainder of rivet with something. Do not try and drill all the way thru.
Some Kydex sheaths are made with larger bore rivets to allow bolting a belt loop or other type attachment onto the sheath later.
Edited to add:: Do not drill these rivets out.
I'm pretty sure I missed answering any of the important questions, so lets keep going.
Last edited by Bill Harsey; 11-19-2008 at 10:51.
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11-19-2008, 10:46
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Bladesmith to the Quiet Professionals
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Paper patterns and pencils are the first tools I reach for when doing either Kydex or leather work. Should have posted this at the beginning but it still applies to belt loop work.
This is how I get my brain focusing on the job at hand while sometimes finding and solving problems before trying to fumble warm plastic.
Fold the paper exactly how the belt loop is to be shaped, use a ruler to make folds exactly where they are wanted. If this is not to the makers liking, get another piece of paper. Draw the hole placement in paper pattern. Test fit the paper pattern.
For leather work I've been Scotch taping more paper onto the pattern if needed instead of starting all over. Transfer the paper onto the kydex with the silver pencil. Use your very sharp pocket knife to keep a good point on this pencil. This helps a lot.
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11-19-2008, 19:23
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Mr. Harsey sir, you put wayyyyy more thought into the sheaths than I do!
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11-20-2008, 10:47
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Originally Posted by Ken Brock
Mr. Harsey sir, you put wayyyyy more thought into the sheaths than I do!
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Sorry.
Ken,
How do folks cut out Kydex if they don't have a wood type bandsaw?
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11-20-2008, 11:08
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Not Ken, but wouldn't a saber saw or jigsaw work?
You could even use a fine toothed hacksaw if you had to.
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11-20-2008, 14:14
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You could even use a fine toothed hacksaw if you had to.
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BTDT. It works, but its tough to cut sharp angles due to the width of the blade.
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11-21-2008, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Bill Harsey
Sorry.
Ken,
How do folks cut out Kydex if they don't have a wood type bandsaw?
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I use a set of tin snips to cut kydex before it's formed
after I form the sheath, I generally use a saw to cut off the excess although the tin snips can be used to cut through the double thickness.
I'm using .080 kydex exclusively right now
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11-21-2008, 13:29
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I can vouch for Ken's work with kydex....despite the fact he can do it blindfolded, intoxicated, behind his back, his work product was excellent.
See Ken, I am your biggest 'kydex' fan!!
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11-21-2008, 13:31
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Originally Posted by swatsurgeon
I can vouch for Ken's work with kydex....despite the fact he can do it blindfolded, intoxicated, behind his back, his work product was excellent.
See Ken, I am your biggest fan!!
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I've never been blindfolded!
but thanks sir for your kind words
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11-21-2008, 16:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Harsey
Sorry.
Ken,
How do folks cut out Kydex if they don't have a wood type bandsaw?
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Dremel and final sanding is done with the green side of the wife's used dish sponge.
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11-21-2008, 17:56
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For a person interested in learning how to work kydex, what would be appropriate as a test item to start off with as a learning experience?
Also, would a coping saw work as a good cutting tool?
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