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View Poll Results: Why did George Tenet resign?
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Personal reasons, really.
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Forced to resign; administration needed a scapegoat.
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He was tired of the criticism.
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06-03-2004, 19:32
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Because the guy right before him did.
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06-03-2004, 19:42
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SO?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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06-03-2004, 20:05
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So, if you are committed to the long term welfare of an organization, do you quit like the guy before you and hope that somehow you make the point that he did not? Or do you stick it out and do what you can? I know which leader I would respect.
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06-03-2004, 20:21
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Quote:
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So, if you are committed to the long term welfare of an organization, do you quit like the guy before you and hope that somehow you make the point that he did not? Or do you stick it out and do what you can? I know which leader I would respect.
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LOL - you think Tenet was committed to the Agency?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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06-03-2004, 20:26
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It does not matter what I think. I read in Ronald Kessler's new book that a number people there thought he did a good job of sticking up for them on a number of occasions.
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06-03-2004, 20:33
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Watch your OPSEC.
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06-03-2004, 20:34
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Watch your OPSEC.
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Hahaha!
Not me this time.
TR
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
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06-04-2004, 09:03
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While he does deserve some of the blame for the failures of the past, clearly a great deal of blame should reside at Clinton's feet. Starting with the Torrecelli principle through the lack of funding for HUMINT the CIA was in no shape to fight the war on terrorism.
If the President is looking for a "War Time" DCI he should look no further than Rudy Guliani. His take no prisoners and accept no excuses management style is what the CIA needs right now. He also has enough star power with the American public to neutralize the medlesome nature of some on Capital Hill.
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06-04-2004, 09:46
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If the President is looking for a "War Time" DCI he should look no further than Rudy Guliani. His take no prisoners and accept no excuses management style is what the CIA needs right now. He also has enough star power with the American public to neutralize the medlesome nature of some on Capital Hill.
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I think Rudy (or Powell, or Condi) would be much more effective as VP than as a DCI, and could help the ticket a LOT more than Cheney.
Can you see the Dems if Cheney stepped down for health reasons and Dr. Rice were picked as the VP partner on the ticket? 
TR
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06-04-2004, 09:59
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He would have been kept on if Bush did not have to make some gesture before heading over to Europe.
This will assuage the Europeans. The Europeans will play nice and one arrow gets removed from Kerry's quiver.
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OMG.....
It hurts.....
But I actually........
AGGGGR-EE-E.
[passes out]
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06-04-2004, 10:01
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Today's (June 4, 04) WSJ has an editorial mentioning Guliani, and the need for a shake-up in the Agency. There's also mention of the creation of a new OSS style division within the Agency.
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06-04-2004, 10:48
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Careful, it seems that we are on unstable ground regarding restructuring agencies based upon partisen positioning. I have also read that there are many who would like to see an MI-5 structure put in place. OSS/MI-5/CIA????
Wild Bill D. would know what to do...."help us Obiwan you're our only hope".
Maya
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06-04-2004, 13:01
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Originally posted by Maya
Careful, it seems that we are on unstable ground regarding restructuring agencies based upon partisen positioning. I have also read that there are many who would like to see an MI-5 structure put in place. OSS/MI-5/CIA????
Wild Bill D. would know what to do...."help us Obiwan you're our only hope".
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Why does it seem we're on unstable ground?
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06-04-2004, 13:16
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Is it really wise to have another agency? This reminds me of the USSR under Khruschev- if he couldn't solve a problem, he would create another agency to deal with it, thereby making more problems and expanding upon an inefficient system.
I remember someone telling me about 'stove piping', where agencies would 'sit on' intel and other resources to make sure that they got the credit, and presumably funding increases, for dealing with it. Another view, therefore, is that the more agencies there are, the less intelligence is shared.
On the other hand, a well-formed agency can be more efficient internally and keeps the other agencies efficient through healthy competition.
Just some thoughts,
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06-04-2004, 17:31
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The reason I think that we may be on unstable ground is that we are in an election year. Many things occur under such intense times where any action, even bad ones, may be undertaken for popular opinion. I do not think that W is as prone to this as a general rule but when I look at his immigration policies it makes me unsure as to the what ifs.
Maya
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