06-02-2008, 13:05
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I'd really like to know why LEO's think they need the indiscriminate fire delivered by machine guns? TS
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Normally we don't, but a firefight is a firefight, regardless of whether it's in Iraq or hometown USA, you can be just as dead, either way. (Not that I recommend full auto in either situation, I like slow, aimed, accurate, 30 caliber fire over Chinese wave attack suppressing fire)
Also, many smaller agencies can buy surplus M-16s for a buck from govt programs. Our sheriff's office bought 3 brand new M-4s under such a program, full auto. Granted, they could be altered to semi only fire, but, as long as proper training is done, the full auto option can be useful.
(Hollywood bank robbery firefight, FBI car stop in Florida firefight, and a few others come to mind...)
GROG
oh, and plus, they can be really fun to shoot... 
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06-02-2008, 17:25
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Another idiot who doesn't belong in law enforcement
Utah Chief Who Shot Self to Keep Job
Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008
Updated: May 27th, 2008 09:47 AM PDT
LINDSAY WHITEHURST
The Salt Lake Tribune
Riverdale Police Chief Dave Hansen will likely keep his job despite violating safety policies when he shot himself with his service gun, officials said after releasing an internal police report.
"It was an accident. That's the way we're treating it," Riverdale City Administrator Larry Hansen, who is not related to the chief, said. He didn't foresee any changes to the chief's job status.
The shooting happened May 3 during a training class for concealed weapons permits. Hansen, 54, was trying to demonstrate the rifling grooves inside the barrel of his loaded Glock 27 when he said, "I don't know I can show you this without pointing it at anyone," according to the Riverdale police department internal affairs investigation.
Hansen decided to take the gun apart instead. He had loaded the semi-automatic weapon during a previous demonstration, and a clip was still inside, the report states.
To remove the slide on a Glock, the trigger must be pulled, the report states. With the gun under the table and pointed at the floor, Hansen pulled it.
A bullet shot from the gun, entered his left calf and exited from the ankle.
"He was struggling to remove it . . .saying 'It's been awhile since I've done this,' and the next thing BOOM," one participant stated in the report. "I thought it was a part of the class, then I saw the bullet and the blood and it set in."
A participant gave his shirt to stop the bleeding, and another held the shirt to Hansen's ankle.
Hansen was in the hospital for three to four days, Riverdale City Attorney Steve Brooks said, and will likely to return to work within two weeks.
Some of the 12 participants were concerned no officers checked on the other people in the room.
Hansen broke safety policies by having a loaded gun in the training class, having live ammunition in the gun and failing to preform a clearance check when unloading the gun.
The Weber County Attorney's office will conduct a second investigation at the city's request, but County Attorney Mark DeCaria did not say if charges would be filed.
Hansen started with the Riverdale Police Department more than 20 years ago and became chief two years ago. He is a certified concealed firearms instructor in Utah and has taught classes regularly for five years.
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06-02-2008, 18:27
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Originally Posted by grog18b
Also, many smaller agencies can buy surplus M-16s for a buck from govt programs. Our sheriff's office bought 3 brand new M-4s under such a program, full auto. Granted, they could be altered to semi only fire, but, as long as proper training is done, the full auto option can be useful.
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An M4 or M16 is not usually thought of as a "machine gun", though capable of automatic fire. 
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06-02-2008, 18:40
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According to BATFE....
A shoestring is a machinegun.
I have a copy of the letter from the FTB saying such....
I am MUCH closer in my description than they are.
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Finally, I believe that punishing lawful gun owners by creating new, more onerous laws, and restricting Constitutionally guaranteed rights, when we already don't enforce the tens of thousands of gun laws we have on the books, is like beating your dog because the neighbor's dog shit in your yard.
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