Mace for female defense

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by DanUCSB

TR: If I may ask, why the ASP rather than OC for yourself?

It is because of the reasons you excluded.

I like to have many tools in the kitbag. I did not say that I did not have OC as well as a firearm.

LEOs have worked this to a fine art. While I am not bound directly to a Force Continuum policy, it may make it easier to defend in court, should I be obligated to use force to defend myself or my family. The reasonable man defense. I like to think that if I start with voice commands and work my way through, I may not have to take a life. Personally, there is nothing wrong with OCing the crap out of a thug who threatens you and running away, if you can do so. That is what I would recommend for most citizens. I think that were I a perp, I could sustain a few blows with an ASP by an untrained individual, particularly a small man or a female, close to hands-on distance quickly to take the weapon from them and finish the engagement. With the OC, after a half hour or so of choking and gagging, he is recovered with no permanent effect and you are safe and sound miles away. Should he be unaffected by the OC and continue to present a threat, I can go to hands or the impact weapon. If he initiates the contact with a lethal threat that requires the use of deadly force, I am prepared to take it there as well.

You have a lot more time to think it through and plan your actions (and your defensive tactics) now than you will then.

OC is simple, easy to employ effectively, inexpensive, convenient, works well against most threats, creates no permanent injury, and meets the needs of most untrained people better than the alternatives.

TR

[DanUCSB]

Thank you for the swift and thoughtful reply.

Dan

[Razor]

Originally Posted by DanUCSB

I have been reading this thread with interest, but currently carry neither a baton nor OC.

What are the penalties for carrying OC in your area? Do you feel there is a credible threat to your safety that could be at least partially mitigated by having the ability to escape (e.g. OC)? Are the penalties worse than the damage that the threat could inflict on you? We all have to make decisions, and then live with the results.

[Plutarch]

For an expandable baton, I would also recommend getting a leverage or end cap for the baton.

The cap will prevent the baton from slipping from your hand on the backswing. It will also prevent the baton from rolling away from you should you drop it.

Another use for the baton is to poke around in things you don't want to touch with your hands. The end cap can be used to hook things to pick them up, or move them aside.

End caps also make it easier to use your baton as an emergency hammer.

I personally don't carry an ASP brand baton. Having used both, I prefer the Monadnock baton, with their Hindi cap.

[mugwump]

Originally Posted by echoes

As an update...
The fire marshall called me late yesterday, and said he had done his inspection. He said he wanted the closets emptied and doors locked, b/c of the "combustables" in the closets. He siad he would be speaking to our managers today.

I'll even pay for the lock myself if need be. Ya-hoo!

Holly

Good job, Holly. Most people wouldn't have noticed the problem, and if they did, wouldn't have done anyhing about it.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

OC is simple, easy to employ effectively, inexpensive, convenient, works well against most threats, creates no permanent injury, and meets the needs of most untrained people better than the alternatives.
TR

mugwump, .

TR Sir, That defines my choice of OC instead of a handgun, for this situation.

Great information IMHO.

Holly

[sg1987]

Funny product application…

http://www.biggeekdaddy.com/humorpag...nmowerDUI.html

[echoes]

Originally Posted by sg1987

Funny product application…

http://www.biggeekdaddy.com/humorpag...nmowerDUI.html

Greetings sir.

I am unable to determine the significance of that link, to the thread?

Holly

[sg1987]

I simply saw that as a funny situation where spray was used. While not related to your question; I didn’t think it worthy of a new thread.

[Gypsy]

Originally Posted by sg1987

Funny product application…

"I've been drinking all day, hang on a second." LOL! Ahh, a little levity never hurts.

[echoes]

Update to add

Fire Marshall was nice enough to call yesterday, and tell me the outcome of his meeting with my apt complex. He told the Prop.mrg. they must clean out the closets, and that he would prefer them locked. They said they would comply with cleaning them out, but at this time will not be locking them.

Since this started a couple weekes ago, realization has set in that the once safe home environment is not so anymore.
(Probobly some would say that I took this too seriously, and maybe they are correct.)

Never had to ask this type of question before on this site, but have been given a lot of information that will also be shared with the two ladies living upstairs in my unit.

Thanks,
Holly

[echoes]

Update:

Ordered my pepper spray from Foxlabs today per TR's advice:

http://www.foxlabs.com/foxlabs.shtml

Not only was it a pleasent experience, but I was not overcharged.

Even when they did not have the size of pratice spray I requested, they sold me a larger model, at the smaller model price.

Good company, and made in the USA.

HTH,
Holly

[Firearmz]

OC is an effective less lethal tool for EDC. It's labeling can be misleading though. Most reputable manufacturers label the cans as 2% or 10% OC, this only applies to the amount of OC per volume in the can not the actual amount of Capsaicinoids. For instance Fox Labs is 2% OC but in all actuality it is only .66% capsaicinoids where as Body Guard LE 10 is 10% and in actuality it is 1.25% capsaicinoids.

Shoefield Heating Units can be deceiving also, they are measured by a 5 member panel and taste test.

The following listed is by strongest and considered a Class III Spray:
Pure Capsaicin 10% 16,000,000/1,600,000 10%
American Defense (ADR) 10% 2,000,000/200,000 1.25%
BodyGuard (LE-10) 10% 2,000,000/200,000 1.25%
CQB (Level III) 10% 2,000,000/200,000 1.25%
Sabre Red 10% 2,000,000/200,000 1.25%

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Firearmz

For instance Fox Labs is 2% OC but in all actuality it is only .66% capsaicinoids...

Greetings sir...My foxlabs canisters have provided many a nice night for me...and have not had to use any yet, to this day.

However, wanted to update the thread b/c my initial reason for aquiring OC was the inside closet doors in my apt. complex were kept unlocked.

As of this weekend, they are now newly refurbished with deadbolts on the outside, and the maintenence men carrying the keys.

Also, since our porchlights kept burning out, I asked the office if they would install those 2-year model guaranteed bulbs. After taking one in and showing the cost savings...they are switching them out!
Ya-hoo...no more coming home at night to a dark doorway and open closet!

Holly

[Goggles Pizano]

Holly,

Not sure if this had been discussed in this thread but you should be aware of two tactical issues regarding OC employment:

1) When the weather is below freezing the effectiveness of your OC is diminished. In fact the colder it gets the less effective it becomes-I have sprayed suspects in single digit weather conditions and it has had no effect until they were transported to a heated environment.

2) I see you bought the stream and that is good! Fog is horrible. I have rolled through an OC cloud fighting a suspect more times than I care to mention. Just be aware that when you deploy OC it does not discriminate between sprayer and sprayee!