First-Aid Topics - Page 2

Pandora · 04-14-2004, 18:57

MCC wrote:

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I would be surprised if you encounter asthmatics as a routine in the field, but it concerns me that my son may have an unusually severe asthma attic as a result of trauma. While I am normally calm in the face of an emergency, that possibility is one I have been concerned about as he grows older and takes more risks. To date, the nebulizer has stabilized him enough to get him to the hospital, but I am not sure what to do if it didn't, other than call 911 and/or DRIVE, depending on the sitaution. I keep praying he will outgrow this, but he is almost thirteen and it hasn't lessened in severity.

I would also be interested in treatments for adult asthmatics. Attacks are infrequent, but severe for mid-30's male, non-smoker, rare drinker. Previous history of severe allergic reactions, pericarditis, frequent sinusitis (steriod spray). Runs, walks, arm routine nightly 1-2 hours. Percursors include "allergy eyes"- swollen,puffy, grey pouches beneath eyes.

Surgicalcric · 04-15-2004, 09:29

Does the individual have an inhaler (albuterol, advair, etc) or a nebulizer at home? If not I would suggest contacting MD to get one of each if the attacks are recurring.

What are the allergic reactions to: pollen, animal dander, bee stings, etc?

04-15-2004, 09:31

MVA's Whether here or over in the current AO's this is a common tramua situation that will face.

Thanks,

Maya

Surgicalcric · 04-15-2004, 09:36

Maya:

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...=&threadid=747

Any specific questions please feel free to ask.

crew341 · 04-15-2004, 16:09

Since I spend most of my time in a blackhawk;

Scenario:

A hard landing has occurred and a pilot is unconscious and needs to be removed from the aircraft quickly. He can either be removed from the cockpit door or by tilting the seat back and removing him though the cabin. No medical equipment is available besides a basic first aid kit and none of the crewmembers have any advanced medical training beyond CLS.

What do you do? What is the best method of extracting the pilot from the aircraft considering the expected neck/back/leg injuries from a hard landing? Obviously, it is unit SOP to only remove a crewmember of a greater threat exists (fire), so the removal procedure needs to be quick, yet not cause any further injury.

Thanks,

Andy

NousDefionsDoc · 04-15-2004, 16:21

Andy,
Training or combat? It makes a difference as to what I would do.

After you tilt the seatback, does it lay flat? Can you unbolt the seat?

Surgicalcric · 04-15-2004, 17:54

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crew341 · 04-15-2004, 20:29

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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Andy,
Training or combat? It makes a difference as to what I would do.

After you tilt the seatback, does it lay flat? Can you unbolt the seat?

Training or combat?....both, and the reasons why the methods differ. The seat can be tilted nearly flat but cannot be unbolted. Looking forward to your responses.

Andy

NousDefionsDoc · 04-15-2004, 20:34

I'm not a helo dude, but...

Combat - He's coming out however I can get him out. When those things are on the ground, they're bullet magnets for some reason.

Fire - Coming out now however. I don't like to be burned.

Peace time - no danger of fire - CRIP!!!!

I kind of like the idea of laying the seat down. I thought maybe we could use it for an FE backboard, but at any rate, probably less twisting than out a window. I'd have to dry run it to see for sure.

Just my 2 pesos.

Surgicalcric · 04-15-2004, 20:55

Non-combat scenario: Lay the seat back. One person holds C-spine after removing the helmet, one person on the PT's right side takes hold at the waist and shoulder by the flight suit and same on the left side. The person holding C-spine calls all movements and the PT is slid backwards out of the seat and gently laid onto the floor of the helo. Call for EVAC.

If the bird is a Medi-vac there should be a folding stretcher the PT could be placed on instead of on the floor. The stretcher could be held in place while resting the other end on the headrest of the seat.

Combat scenario: PT comes out as fast as possible. I would probably still lay the seat back and bring them out the cargo door as opposed to trying to snake them around the joystick and out the door. Same holds true for stretcher as above.

Fire: Same as combat. Same holds true for stretcher as above.

NDD, good thinking on the FE stretcher.

DoctorDoom · 04-20-2004, 19:11

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DoctorDoom · 04-20-2004, 19:14

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Surgicalcric · 04-20-2004, 19:19

DD:

No LSB's in combat on the helo unless its a medivac and using one for trainup for combat would be counter-productive, IMHO if you wont have them when the bullets are flying. As for the other, the flight helmet would need to be removed because of its size. Also, as per the scenario and equipment noted by crew341, I do not believe a C-collar would be part of a CLS's equip, nor would the LSB.

HTH.

DoctorDoom · 04-20-2004, 19:42

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crew341 · 04-20-2004, 23:48

Thanks for all the responses,

I hope to never have to put any of this info to use, but to be honest, if bullets are flying or the aircraft is melting, I will do wahtever it takes to remove the crewmember. Also, in any other scenario, I believe I would try to wait for assistance before moving him.

Now, anybody need aviation support?

Seems like every month we are doing more and more SF missions. It is great training though, and we are happy to help out. I'll see you at HFF this Friday. ;

-Andy