04-09-2004, 21:59
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One thing I have never understood the arguemetn over
The ONLY valid argument I have ever seen against the SOAP method was its mandated use on routine/simple/non treatment notations like a phone call followup or a post op check. In those limited circumstances, it seems a waste of time to have to document each part of a SOAP format notation just to say you called the patient and he said he was Ok.
Otherwise,
S- subjective information
o- objective information
A- assessment/DX
P- prognosis/Procedures performed
How in the #%# could it get any easier than that. ANyone in the medical field not intellligent enough to figure it out shouldn't get to play in the big leagues. LOL
Crip- your method breaks it down into basically the same catagories...just out of order and much more likely to leave out info in the entry during documentation.... 
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04-09-2004, 22:03
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Sorry 'bout that NDD.
Having to read PCR's every shift has jaded me a bit. It seems like I read and reread the same things over and again.
Its not the fault of the system, but that of the individual writing the report.
Think I will get back to those reports now...lol.
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04-09-2004, 22:04
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'sides, how cool would it be to tell Sofia "Go ahead and bandage Mr. Harsey on up there, darlin'. And don't forget to SOAP him real good." LOL
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04-09-2004, 22:11
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Saca:
Not my method. Its the one we use here at the FD.
I dont understand how it would be easier to forget to document something with this method.
I dont mind the SOAP method. I am just used to the one we use here.
NDD:
I am sure Mr Harsey would not mind.
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04-09-2004, 22:22
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My post wasn't aimed at you Cric. Just aimed at anti-SOAP comments in general.
It is easy to remember, prevents you from leaving out information...and allows for quick acquisition of the type info you are looking for without reading the entire note.
Your method is probably very good for EMT areas. I think the SOAP method has better versatility for the clinical side of the house. Not trying to argue really... just my .02.
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04-10-2004, 17:05
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I learned soap different than Sacamuelas...
S: subjective
O: objective
A: assessment
P: plan
I guess prognosis was part of assessment and procedures each got a separate procedure note.
See NDD....maybe its not so simple...lol
doc t.
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04-10-2004, 17:17
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Quote:
Originally posted by Doc T
I learned soap different than Sacamuelas...
S: subjective
O: objective
A: assessment
P: plan
I guess prognosis was part of assessment and procedures each got a separate procedure note.
See NDD....maybe its not so simple...lol
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The "P" is Plan. Sacamuelas is a dentist. Not his fault he's screwed up. LOL
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04-10-2004, 19:53
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LOL ....
Yes... I learned it as P officially as plan.. but procedure and prognosis substitute in depending on the type of notation.
In my daily work, I usually put the plan/with prognosis last in the P portion of the note.
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04-10-2004, 19:54
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Good cover up there Saca... 
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04-10-2004, 19:57
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Very nice crawfishing. Excellent work.
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04-21-2004, 23:23
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I never learned SOAP. The system back home liked CHART.
Chief complaint
Hx
Assessment
Rx
Transport
The run forms were printed up with that on it, so that we learned. Once I'm settled and unpacked, I'll scan on if you like.
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