Deadly pocketknives become a $1 Billion Business

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

I'm a little tired. kgoerz made me do about 10,572 live fire mag changes this morning. Damn slave driver!

So, didn't get it right the first 10,571 times or was this pay back for something else

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor

Why does a law abiding citizen need one of these?

http://www.coldsteel.com/nise.html

The company's founders, owners, and members are socially irresponsible and should their products be used illegally, I hope they lose everything they own and rot in jail for pre-meditated stupidity.

Edited for clarity: My issue isn't the blades, but rather the material with which they are produced.

Sorry WM - I'm with TR on this one. Criminals & crazies will do their deeds irrespective of the material their tools are made of and without regard for legal restrictions put in place by "useful idiots". Weapons free zones serve only to disarm honest people and infringe basic human rights. The proliferation of fixed metal detectors, random wand searches, and laws making the carrying of concealed weapons a felony do little to control/prevent assaults. They serve only to increase the potential victim pool for those already inclined to violence. What happens when you're attacked in a public place (where "weapons" are forbidden and that prohibition is enforced by a metal detector) by a gang or even someone who out masses you by 25% (or more)? A sincere "stomping" will kill you just as dead as sticking a plastic knife in you yet that self-same plastic knife in your hands might enable you to defend yourself. Or defend somebody else: see I know how you think - you might be able to deal with or escape from an attack by multiple assailants, but what about your family? Gangs, psychopaths, etc. roam pulic places in broad daylight too. Can't hide at home, even if you were inclined to do that. So why not use every tool/advantage at your disposal? Remember the Saturday Night Special Laws? They served primarilly to deprive the least affluent members of society (those most likely to be victims of violent crime) of affordable firearms. Just a little food for thought. FWIW - Peregrino

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Peregrino

Sorry WM - I'm with TR on this one. Peregrino

I agree completely. Sort of goes along with the reality that locks are for honest people.

[Trip_Wire (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Peregrino

Sorry WM - I'm with TR on this one. Criminals & crazies will do their deeds irrespective of the material their tools are made of and without regard for legal restrictions put in place by "useful idiots". Weapons free zones serve only to disarm honest people and infringe basic human rights. The proliferation of fixed metal detectors, random wand searches, and laws making the carrying of concealed weapons a felony do little to control/prevent assaults. They serve only to increase the potential victim pool for those already inclined to violence. What happens when you're attacked in a public place (where "weapons" are forbidden and that prohibition is enforced by a metal detector) by a gang or even someone who out masses you by 25% (or more)? A sincere "stomping" will kill you just as dead as sticking a plastic knife in you yet that self-same plastic knife in your hands might enable you to defend yourself. Or defend somebody else: see I know how you think - you might be able to deal with or escape from an attack by multiple assailants, but what about your family? Gangs, psychopaths, etc. roam pulic places in broad daylight too. Can't hide at home, even if you were inclined to do that. So why not use every tool/advantage at your disposal? Remember the Saturday Night Special Laws? They served primarilly to deprive the least affluent members of society (those most likely to be victims of violent crime) of affordable firearms. Just a little food for thought. FWIW - Peregrino

I agree with what you have said here!

[uboat509]

I am with WM on this one. This is not like the guns made me kill him or fast food made me fat arguments. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens and there are many legitimate uses for guns. Fast food can be enjoyed in moderation without making you fat but as far as I can see these knives have no other purpose than avoid detection. Everything that you can do with these knives you can do better with a metal knife except avoiding detection. I sincerley believe that whereas the legitmate uses for guns far outweigh the illegitimate uses, that is not the case with these knives.

SFC W

[Ken Brock]

All they did was change the buzz word from "assault rifles" to "tactical knives"


That article was nothing but trash to inflame the sheeple

[7624U]

Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

"Tactical knife", anyone want to define that? I can.

edited to add: good responses to this before i hit submit button.

Black handled
Sharp
Good Balance
Flexable can be used for many tasks
Slightly Higher Priced (Quality)
The choice of Professionals (AKA someone that knows how to use a knife.)

Wait that sounds like a good kitchen knife when I cook dinner

[The Reaper]

I think the last plane that was going to be hijacked with edged weapons crashed into a field near Shanksville, PA almost five years ago.

You pull out anything from a plastic butter knife to a Katana and start acting weird on an airplane today, you are going to get the ass-whipping of your life by at least half of the 150 passengers on board. The ability to stab will not allow the user to overcome large numbers of people fighting for their lives with O2 bottles, seat belt extenders, rolled magazines, seat cushions, etc.

Buy all of the fiberglass knives you want.

Just my .02, YMMV.

TR

[Bill Harsey]

Originally Posted by 7624U

Black handled
Sharp
Good Balance
Flexable can be used for many tasks
Slightly Higher Priced (Quality)
The choice of Professionals (AKA someone that knows how to use a knife.)

Wait that sounds like a good kitchen knife when I cook dinner

7624U,
Thank you and let me take this a bit further.

My definition of Tactical Knife is this:
A knife designed and built to do any job a Soldier, Sailor, Marine, Airman, Coast Guardsman, Policeman, Fireman, Emergency Services Personal, Doctors and EMT's or Private Citizen would need in an extreme or emergency life critical situation while also performing many normal tasks we expect out of an edged tool.
This means a knife built of materials designed to take hard use, constructed in a strong manner and designed to be used with a high degree of dexterity in adverse conditions.
The expectation of any knife labeled "tactical" is that is has been designed and built to a higher standard for hard use and the owner can carry that knife with confidence that the knife will not fail in an emergency situation even if it is never used for such purpose.

[dedeppm]

I'd have to say that I agree with WM to a point on this one, and not because of the threat posed to airliners (I think TR is right on in his assessment of the fate awaiting any knife-wielding would-be hijackers). It's sort of irresponsible to basically put this out there so that every idiot who wants to stab a someone in a courtroom or some similar setting now has the ability to do so. I'm not sure if this is just poor marketing (like Intratec's claim that their TEC DC9 had a "fingerprint-resistant finish") or if it's really just irresponsible to sell the product.

Not illegal, but maybe not the most socially-responsible course of action. All it will take is one killing with one of these knives in a "secure" environment and the witchhunt against the knife industry will begin, similar with what happened with so-called "assault rifles" in the 90's.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

So, didn't get it right the first 10,571 times or was this pay back for something else

He's a sadist. It's actually a great drill.

[Smokin Joe]

Originally Posted by uboat509

I am with WM on this one. This is not like the guns made me kill him or fast food made me fat arguments. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens and there are many legitimate uses for guns. Fast food can be enjoyed in moderation without making you fat but as far as I can see these knives have no other purpose than avoid detection. Everything that you can do with these knives you can do better with a metal knife except avoiding detection. I sincerley believe that whereas the legitmate uses for guns far outweigh the illegitimate uses, that is not the case with these knives.

SFC W

Keep in mind that there are good people who must do bad things in secure areas. Not necessarily in this country.

I'm with TR on this one.

Originally Posted by The Reaper

you should be able to buy anything you can make out of cold steel.

You use it inappropraitely around me and I should be able to make a hole in you big enough I can throw a cat through.

Personally I think limiting the "method" or "tool" that someone uses or has access too is just, well.....stupid logic.

Here is why. Last night I arrested this guy for going nuts inside his house, he threw a bunch of knives at his wife and kids. Before I could get to his house, he leaves gets in his car and hauls ass down the freeway heading Northbound in the Southbound traffic, attempting to kill himself and anyone who is unlucky enough to get in his way. Yes he did cause a serious accident sending 3 people including himself to the hospital. Unforunately he only suffered a dislocated hip (his left leg was 3 inches shorter than the other). So should we ban cars now? Cars that can go over 60 mphs? Or Green Dodge Neons? --None its the person behind the tool that ALWAYS matters not the tool that was used.

Just my .02 cents

[Cincinnatus]

I'm with Joe, TR, Jack, Peregrino, et. al., FWIW. Was it Senecca who said "A sword is just a tool in a killer's hand" or words to that effect?

I know this is a flawed analogy, but consider the efforts to restrict weapons in prisons and how poorly this works to curtail violence.

People have the right to defend themselves, impliictly they have the right to the means with which to defend themselves. This should not be trifled with lightly.

[uboat509]

Originally Posted by Smokin Joe

Keep in mind that there are good people who must do bad things in secure areas. Not necessarily in this country.

Chances are those people would be working for the government and therefore not subject to prohibitions on this kind of stuff.

Originally Posted by Smokin Joe

I'm with TR on this one.


Personally I think limiting the "method" or "tool" that someone uses or has access too is just, well.....stupid logic.

Here is why. Last night I arrested this guy for going nuts inside his house, he threw a bunch of knives at his wife and kids. Before I could get to his house, he leaves gets in his car and hauls ass down the freeway heading Northbound in the Southbound traffic, attempting to kill himself and anyone who is unlucky enough to get in his way. Yes he did cause a serious accident sending 3 people including himself to the hospital. Unforunately he only suffered a dislocated hip (his left leg was 3 inches shorter than the other). So should we ban cars now? Cars that can go over 60 mphs? Or Green Dodge Neons? --None its the person behind the tool that ALWAYS matters not the tool that was used.

Just my .02 cents

The difference between this and a car or a gun is the number of legitimate uses for cars and guns versus illegitimate. Cars and guns are tools which CAN be used for illegitimate purposes but for the most part will not be whereas I don't really see a lot of legitimate uses for these knives other than the few obscure instances previously noted. I think of it like a lock pick kit. If you are civilian and not a locksmith and you have a lock pick kit then maybe you have it for some legitimate purpose like if you forget you keys or something but I'm not betting the farm on it.

SFC W

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Originally Posted by uboat509

I think of it like a lock pick kit. If you are civilian and not a locksmith and you have a lock pick kit then maybe you have it for some legitimate purpose like if you forget you keys or something but I'm not betting the farm on it.

FWIW, there is a a growing number of hobby lockpickers and safe crackers coming mainly from the computer science sector (think crypto guys who like to fuddle with stuff). My first lock picking primer was entitled the MIT Guide to Lockpicking. I look at picking locks as a Rubic's Cube for adults.

Ultimately I throw my hat into the ring with the more libertarian set.

My .02 cents. . .

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