Feinsteins Gun Control Bill

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Paslode

True and I did some more digging.
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Apparently, there is a long track record of gun registration being used later on to confiscate legally registered firearms.

Yup. Ya gotta give Hugo credit, he had more transparency in his motive. There is no other end-game. Ask someone who supports it (for whatever reason they think) "to what end?" And make them play the tape all the way through.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Yup. Ya gotta give Hugo credit, he had more transparency in his motive. There is no other end-game. Ask someone who supports it (for whatever reason they think) "to what end?" And make them play the tape all the way through.

Yes. So what is legally registered today can be legislated illegal tomorrow.

There was even a couple pieces about California where the owner registered his firearm, but later on their firearm(s) were confiscated because of errors....in one case the owner used abbreviation on the registration which ended up voiding his registration and thus putting him outside the amnesty/registration period.

It would be the shits to lose your firearms because you used CA instead of writing out California...

[The Reaper]

This is an example of how the Libs are thinking.

The camel's nose is already under the tent.

Total civilian disarmament is their eventual goal.

TR

From the dailykos.com: http://tinyurl.com/cxwvey9

How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
by sporks

It's nice that we're finally talking about gun control. It's very sad that it took such a terrible tragedy to talk about it, but I'm glad the conversation is happening. I hear a lot about assault weapon and large magazine bans, and whilst I'm supportive of that, it won't solve the problem. The vast majority of firearm deaths occur with handguns. Only about 5% of people killed by guns are killed by guns which would be banned in any foreseeable AWB.

Furthermore, there seems to be no talk about high powered rifles. What gun nuts don't want you to know is many target and hunting rifles are chambered in the same round (.223/5.56mm) that Lanza's assault weapon was. Even more guns are chambered for more powerful rounds, like the .30-06 or (my personal "favorite") 7.62x54R. Even a .22, the smallest round manufactured on a large scale, can kill easily. In fact, some say the .22 kills more people than any other round out there.

Again, I like that we're talking about assault weapons, machine guns, and high capacity clips. But it only takes one bullet out of one gun to kill a person. Remember the beltway sniper back in 2002? The one who killed a dozen odd people? Even though he used a bushmaster assault rifle, he only fired one round at a time before moving. He could have used literally any rifle sold in the US for his attacks.

The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence.

Unfortunately, right now we can't. The political will is there, but the institutions are not. Honestly, this is a good thing. If we passed a law tomorrow banning all firearms, we would have massive noncompliance. What we need to do is establish the regulatory and informational institutions first. This is how we do it:

The very first thing we need is national registry. We need to know where the guns are, and who has them. Canada has a national firearms registry. We need to copy their model. We need a law demanding all firearms be registered to a national database. We need to know who has them and where they are. We need to make this as easy as possible for gun owners. The federal government provides the money and technical expertise, and the State police carry it out. Like a funded mandate. Most firearms already have a serial number on them, so it would really be a matter of taking the information already on the ATF form 4473 and putting it in a national database. I think about 6 months should be enough time.

Along with this, make private sales illegal. When a firearm is transferred, make it law that the registration must be updated. Again, make it super easy to do. Perhaps over, the internet. Dealers can log in by their FFLs and update the registration. Additionally, new guns are to be registered by the manufacturer. The object here is to create a clear paper trail from factory to distributor to dealer to owner. We want to encourage as much voluntary compliance as possible.

Now we get down to it. The registration period has passed. Now we have criminals without registered guns running around. Probably kooky types that "lost" them on a boat or something. So remember those ATF form 4473s? Those record every firearm sale, going back twenty years. And those have to be surrendered to the ATF on demand. So, we get those logbooks, and cross reference the names and addresses with the new national registry. Since most NRA types own two or (many) more guns, we can get an idea of who properly registered their guns and who didn't. For example, if we have a guy who purchased 6 guns over the course of 10 years, but only registered two of them, that raises a red flag.

Now, maybe he sold them or they got lost or something. But it gives us a good target for investigation. A nice visit by the ATF or state police to find out if he really does still have those guns would be certainly warranted. It's certainly not perfect. People may have gotten guns from parents or family, and not registered them. Perfect is the enemy of pretty darn good, as they say. This exercise isn't so much to track down every gun ever sold; the main idea would be to profile and investigate people that may not have registered their guns. As an example, I'm not so concerned with the guy who bought that bolt action Mauser a decade ago and doesn't have anything registered to his name. It's a pretty good possibility that he sold it, gave it away, or got rid of it somehow. And even if he didn't, that guy is not who I'm concerned with. I'm concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He's the guy who warrants a raid.

So registration is the first step. Now that the vast majority are registered, we can do what we will. One good first step would be to close the registry to new registrations. This would, in effect, prevent new guns from being made or imported. This would put the murder machine corporations out of business for good, and cut the money supply to the NRA/GOA. As money dries up, the political capital needed for new controls will be greatly reduced.

There are a few other things I would suggest. I would suggest an immediate, national ban on concealed carry. A ban on internet sales of guns and ammunition is a no brainer. Microstamping would also be a very good thing. Even if the only thing it does is drive up costs, it could still lead to crimes being solved. I'm willing to try every advantage we can get.

A national Firearms Owner Identification Card might be good, but I'm not sure if it's necessary if we have a national database. We should also insist on comprehensive insurance and mandatory gun safes, subject to random, spot checks by local and federal law enforcement.

We must make guns expensive and unpopular, just like cigarettes. A nationwide, antigun campaign paid for by a per gun yearly tax paid by owners, dealers, and manufacturers would work well in this regard. We should also segway into an anti-hunting campaign, like those in the UK. By making hunting expensive and unpopular, we can make the transition to a gun free society much less of a headache for us.

I know this seems harsh, but this is the only way we can be truly safe. I don't want my kids being shot at by a deranged NRA member. I'm sure you don't either. So lets stop looking for short term solutions and start looking long term. Registration is the first step.

Tell Pres. Obama and democrats in congress to demand mandatory, comprehensive gun registration. It's the only way we can ban guns with any effectiveness.

[BR9545]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Not sure if this has already been posted, but here is what Senator Feinstein's website has as her "modest proposal."

Our Forefathers didn't write this, it doesn't apply to us. I'm guessing the word "Treason" doesn't apply anymore. That is, unless you oppose what this administration ludicrously brings to the table. Then you're treasonous and the NDAA hammer will be brought down upon you.

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." — Mahatma Gandhi

[Lan]

Please share this article with anyone opposed to our 2A rights. It is the best article I've read that supports our Constitutional Right to protect ourselves.

An Opinion On Gun Control

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

The right idea is starting to come to the surface:
"Arizona Attorney General proposes arming school employees"
Published December 27, 2012
FoxNews.com
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz2GH7fF3lb

Sheriff Joe has his own plan:

PHOENIX -- Maricopa County Arpaio said Thursday that he plans to deploy his armed volunteer posse to protect Valley schools from the kind of violence that happened in the Connecticut shooting tragedy. Arpaio believes having armed law officers around schools will deter would-be criminals from trying anything violent and, possibly, stop them if they do.

“I have the authority to mobilize private citizens and fight crime in this county,” Arpaio said.

Arpaio first started using his posse to protect malls during the holiday shopping season in 1993 in response to violent incidents in prior years. Since then he said malls where his posse members are on patrol have had zero violent re-occurrences and patrols by his all-volunteer squad during the 2012 shopping season netted a record 31 arrests.

Full article.

Pat

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

This is an example of how the Libs are thinking.

The camel's nose is already under the tent.

Total civilian disarmament is their eventual goal.

TR

And they call us nuts.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by PSM

Sheriff Joe has his own plan:



Pat

Joe is an idiot and he needs to be sitting on a front porch somewhere.

What is not memtioned in the article is that most of Joe's 3000 member "volunteer posse" is unarmed. Only a very small fraction is actually armed. And some of the armed ones I actually not want around kids....

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Joe is an idiot and he needs to be sitting on a front porch somewhere.

WWDD?*

*What would Dever do?

Pat

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Lan

Please share this article with anyone opposed to our 2A rights. It is the best article I've read that supports our Constitutional Right to protect ourselves.

An Opinion On Gun Control

Excellent read, for those who will bother to inform themselves.

TR

[afchic]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Excellent read, for those who will bother to inform themselves.

TR

Agreed. I will be using some of his points in future conversations with folks close to me that think banning things will keep an event such as CT from happening again.

[Monsoon65]

Originally Posted by Lan

Please share this article with anyone opposed to our 2A rights. It is the best article I've read that supports our Constitutional Right to protect ourselves.

An Opinion On Gun Control

Very good read. I've shared it with several people that don't have anything in the "cluebag" when it comes to gun control.

[Paslode]

Gun group says active killer events quadrupled after Gun Free School Zones Act

http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-...hool-zones-act

“Politicians pass laws for gun-free school zones,” LaPierre said. “They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them. And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.”

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/...ts-need-guards


The NRA Chief may have a point.

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Excellent read, for those who will bother to inform themselves.

TR

Yes an excellant read, I would urge all to take the time to read it, I am forwarding to some of my less enlightened friends. A couple of good excerpts follow.

"Clint Smith once said if you look like food, you will be eaten. Criminals are looking for prey. They are looking for easy victims. If they wanted to work hard for a living they’d get a job. So when you pull a gun, you are no longer prey, you are work, so they are going to go find somebody else to pick on."

"In conclusion, basically it doesn’t really matter what something you pick when some politician or pundit starts screaming we’ve got to do something, because in reality, most of them already know a lot of what I listed above. The ones who are walking around with their security details of well-armed men in their well-guarded government buildings really don’t care about actually stopping mass shooters or bad guys, they care about giving themselves more power and increasing their control."

[Badger52]

Don't forget to engage your political reps inside your state borders if they're at all approachable. If the despots get their way they will need complicity inside the states at some point.

Although the lines on a chart don't run that way, state reps often have lots of conversations with the hometown folks who did go to DC so your view may be reaching more than one person.

Learn your local laws and whether there is willingness inside your borders to hold hard to them. Was your state one of those, post-Katrina, to pass an anti-confiscation bill? (Not a poll, just posing the question as one worth considering.)

The use of Larry Correia's essay is a good one, targeted as it is at those who'll even discuss the topic. Share it, use it. People need to understand the scope of what is being engineered "on their behalf by the wise people" to make the bogey man go away.
(I'd alluded to it in an earlier post; thank you Lan for linking it.)