05-02-2006, 20:58
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LaRue 7.0 on the way next week. Taking a new shooter out to the range tomorrow, will be spreading the disease.
I've been hearing some good things on ARFcom about Geissele National Match AR triggers. Anyone have experience these?
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05-02-2006, 21:06
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Originally Posted by bberkley
I'm working on taking better pics of my weapons.
Here are a few different views of my AR-15's. I hope to have my JP fire control parts for the 20" here tomorrow, so I have Saturday planned to install it, and the scope rings should be here next week. After drooling over the pics of the 6.8 uppers that MSTN is building, I know where the next pile of my cash is going.
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Kinda hard to shoot that AR-Hbar with no sights? 
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05-02-2006, 21:17
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Kinda hard to shoot that AR-Hbar with no sights? |
Oh come now TS, he's a gamer, they get to run up on the targets and shoot them. Indexing the gun is enough. 
bberkley, just playin'......I do it too!!! 
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05-02-2006, 21:23
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Originally Posted by jbour13
Oh come now TS, he's a gamer, they get to run up on the targets and shoot them. Indexing the gun is enough.
bberkley, just playin'......I do it too!!! |
As heavy as it looks he could probably just hit people with it......
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05-02-2006, 21:26
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
Kinda hard to shoot that AR-Hbar with no sights? |
TS:
I've got a good piece of glass for it, just waiting on ARMS to deliver the rings.
I'm still recuperating from a discectomy at L5-S1 on the 18th, I had to have something to do while getting better, what better way than to work on my rifles.
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As heavy as it looks he could probably just hit people with it...... |
Its damn heavy too. Its not really going to be a USPSA Race gun, more likely going to be used to kill sage rats in Eastern Oregon with a few friends. I might sell the upper and use that to fund a 16" 6.8 SPC with a PRI forend from MSTN.
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05-02-2006, 21:42
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[QUOTE=bberkley]
I'm still recuperating from a discectomy at L5-S1 [QUOTE]
Ah yes, the good old L5-S1, mine cost me 6 months of physical therapy and the inability to reenter military service, even as a reservist. I feel your pain. 
Hope you get well soon.
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05-02-2006, 22:36
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As heavy as it looks he could probably just hit people with it...... |
I was wondering about the SOCOM M14... did it retain it's club value or if you wacked someone with it, would it fall apart.
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05-03-2006, 06:13
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I was wondering about the SOCOM M14... did it retain it's club value or if you wacked someone with it, would it fall apart.
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Lots of "vendors" call their products "Special Forces" "SOCOM" "Special Operations" etc. (I call my dog Einstein, he's really not a genius.)
We don't wear "Special Forces watches" or carry "Special Forces knives". I've not yet heard of any Special Forces soldiers actually using the "SOCOM M14".
(I love slime that make a living using "our" hard earned reputation on their products.)
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05-03-2006, 12:53
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I always wondered about that....some designer/builder of a new 'toy' puts it into the hands of a real operator and whether or not it functions as advertised, etc, they then say it's SF used/recommended.........it is a crime they are committing, is it not, i.e, fraud. Doesn't some 'higher authority' have to sanction the terms used: SOCOM, SF, etc....on a gun or knife, or pack?
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05-03-2006, 13:04
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I always wondered about that....some designer/builder of a new 'toy' puts it into the hands of a real operator and whether or not it functions as advertised, etc, they then say it's SF used/recommended.........it is a crime they are committing, is it not, i.e, fraud. Doesn't some 'higher authority' have to sanction the terms used: SOCOM, SF, etc....on a gun or knife, or pack?
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People do exactly that.
They try to give some SF guy some of their gear, then claim that it is "used by Special Forces", even if all the guy did was to take it home and put it in his closet. There is a policy letter directing soldiers not to accept gear from any other than authorized sources, but if a guy wants to buy it, it is the same ad.
Could be worse, at one time, I think the SEALs had at least 20 "authorized" SEAL knives, exclusive hand to hand techniques, and watches.
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05-03-2006, 15:57
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Supposedly, Crane procured some 16' barrels from Mike Rock for the MK14 project, SA copied the barrel profile, and VOILA! SOCOM M14. FWIW all the M14's I've laid eyes on used a cut down (from the normal 22' to 18') barrel with a Smith Ind. Vortex FH on them. I wish I had gotten the 18' with a normal gas system and FH instead of the SOCOM model, but this one has treated me OK so far with no problems to speak of. We have some M14s dropped into Sage stocks on our arms room but I haven't seen any SF guys using any modified barrels. SA is just taking advantage of the SOF fan market I assume.
Hollis, if you're volunteering I bet we could find someone big enough to swing this thing at you...but my educated guess is that 16' of steel, and M1A receiver, and a block of billet aluminum is very sturdy and would not "fall apart"
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05-03-2006, 16:12
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Hollis, if you're volunteering I bet we could find someone big enough to swing this thing at you...but my educated guess is that 16' of steel, and M1A receiver, and a block of billet aluminum is very sturdy and would not "fall apart" |
If that is the case I best start running in a serpentine fashion keep my tuchas low...... LOL..........I am really partial the M14 as it was originally fashioned. Though I think it is becoming passe' as the years move on.
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05-03-2006, 16:14
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I can understand that, I'm waiting on a Fulton Armory M14 right now, as plain as they come. The only thing I will do to it is add some NM sights and a Turner saddlery sling an shoot it.
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05-03-2006, 16:17
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If that is the case I best start running in a serpentine fashion keep my tuchas low...... LOL..........I am really partial the M14 as it was originally fashioned. Though I think it is becoming passe' as the years move on.
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We stopped using it for a few reasons.... one of them, try carrying 300 rounds of 7.62. (300 rounds is a basic load for an SF guy.) I've shot both the M-14 and the M-21, and enjoyed both. But I'll take the .223 & the M4 anytime...... 
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05-03-2006, 17:15
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We stopped using it for a few reasons.... one of them, try carrying 300 rounds of 7.62. (300 rounds is a basic load for an SF guy.) I've shot both the M-14 and the M-21, and enjoyed both. But I'll take the .223 & the M4 anytime......
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As much as Love the M14, I would only want in a fixed position and under "light action". In auto it can become very uncontrolable. One has to really lean in to, and lock your left arm on the hand guard and bust 2 -3 rds... We prefered the M16 for the bush biggest reason was you can carry about twice the ammo. I carried 35 mags. Also M16 was very controlable in full auto. The best job discription for a Marine grunt was a mule. We carried everything and it would long times between resupply, so lighter and more was prefered to heavier and less. A reason you never saw pistols. Only the rich and famous had them. Even Doc carried a M16.
We did have, or could have a company sniper, today's term is DSM, he would be issued a M14. They were not very common in our TAR (Mutter's Ridge).
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