Women in Combat? - Page 12

**Box** · 09-20-2014, 23:32

Its all part of the magic show...
...you can't pull a rabbit out of your hat unless you have a hat.

Mills · 10-02-2014, 03:39

I typically enjoy reading articles from Havok Journal, However this one seemed quite out of place and poorly written.

http://www.havokjournal.com/culture/...nd-recon-oh-my

Is this some sort of stunt? Or is the author basing his assumptions off of limited experience?

The arguments are not common sense based, and they only really look good on paper.

So much for ever reading anything written by Leo Jenkins again................

tom kelly · 10-02-2014, 15:12

It's PC and another grand social experiment, brought about by the ultra liberal left. "When the going gets tough; The woman get gone girl" My opinion. tom Kelly.

Mills · 10-04-2014, 11:19

Even Leon Panetta is trying to distance himself from our comrade in chief.

He seems to be singing the same old "I told ya so" song that so many leaders these days are singing.

Personally, I wish someone could ask him directly what the fuck was up with the opening of closed positions in the military to women. Now that he is a civilian, maybe he would actually give us some sort of reason............or at least tell us that "Barry made him do it".

Anything would be better than the politically correct, progressive load of garbage that was fed to us in early 2013 when this clown show first began.

Maybe someone can catch him at a book signing or something and corner him on it. Our leaders need to give us a much better argument that the cowardly reasons that they are currently using to justify fixing something that isn't broken.

bailaviborita · 10-05-2014, 06:22

The reason the military is going along is that our leadership is weak. Not too long ago a chief threatened to resign if forced to accept a four star female who was not qualified other than she was female (Kennedy). The admin backed down. Since then we have had ultra politicians in charge- none refusing to stand up for what is right...

Sohei · 10-05-2014, 07:32

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Originally Posted by bailaviborita

The reason the military is going along is that our leadership is weak. Not too long ago a chief threatened to resign if forced to accept a four star female who was not qualified other than she was female (Kennedy). The admin backed down. Since then we have had ultra politicians in charge- none refusing to stand up for what is right...

Sadly enough, the higher up the chain those "leaders" go, the more they become politicians and the higher their political aspirations go with them. They forget the fact they were once a warrior and have become politicians, and with that change, they have surrendered their backbones.

I always like the way they seem to find their spines again once they are no longer employed in their positions and decide to speak out while making their book tours.

**Box** · 10-05-2014, 08:46

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Originally Posted by Agoge2

I always like the way they seem to find their spines again once they are no longer employed in their positions and decide to speak out while making their book tours.

...amazing isn't it.

Fuck them very much.

blacksmoke · 10-05-2014, 16:02

Because they believe the mission comes first, they are team players. The terms yes men, sissy, and politician do not apply.

Mills · 10-05-2014, 23:09

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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

...amazing isn't it.

Fuck them very much.

So maybe we should get ourselves a task org together in regards to mapping book tours and publicly cornering former leaders in order to give us a real explanation.

If anything, maybe we can shame some of our future leaders into doing what is right, in the best interest of the men on the ground.

**Box** · 10-06-2014, 04:41

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Originally Posted by Mills

So maybe we should get ourselves a task org together in regards to mapping book tours and publicly cornering former leaders in order to give us a real explanation.

If anything, maybe we can shame some of our future leaders into doing what is right, in the best interest of the men on the ground.

Shame: a feeling of guilt, regret, or sadness, that you have because you know you have done something wrong; the ability to feel guilt, regret, or embarrassment; dishonor

...I don't believe we could raid any book signing tour that would produce an individual capable of 'shame'

We have a GO that took an active part in misleading the Tillman family, knowingly running a cover up to push a Silver Star through to avoid embarrassment, and then creating a command climate that turned out that awesome Rolling Stone piece. This was the same guy that accepted a position to lead the White House Program to support military families.
...you wont shame THAT GUY At a book signing.
In fact, if you make a scene security will probably drag you out into the parking lot and fuck you up.

We also have a GO that sat on top of a set of Dogmatic morality based rules that crushed the careers of numerous service members all the while he was using his duty position to bang his married biographer on our dime.
...are we gonna shame him? In fact he probably still has enough of a fan club in the CIA that your brakes might fail on your car on your way home if one was to make a public scene that embarrassed him.

We had a retired GO that told the American public that advertised his devotion to the president and his political party, he supported his boss going into Iraq only so he could vote for the other party's candidate in the next two presidential elections while telling everyone that he didn't really support going into Iraq. He chose to explain away HIS actions on a political party that just dont get it.
...I dont think you'll find any shame at one of his book signings either.

I love your idea... it is awesome. The problem is that you need a baseline to work from if you plan on using 'shame' to get answers.
I don't believe that most American leadership, elected or otherwise, at that level of influence possess the conscience needed to respond to the concept of shame.

Women in combat simply isn't their problem any more. For the rest of us; if you aren't on board, it's only because you "dont get it"

I'm ok to admit that I am OK with things the way they are for the time being.
Go ahead and get in a rush to replace the POTUS if you like; if HRC gets into that office you can bet your last three pubic hairs that women in combat will be way down on the list of things we need to worry about.

Mills · 10-06-2014, 14:20

If you only knew how many times I have been told that I "don't get it" during this current deployment.

Maybe you and I are the ones with the problems.

**Joker** · 10-06-2014, 15:07

YOU TWO just don't get it!

Okay, name me a standing military that had women as it's fighting force. If they were so dammed good where are they today?

Be safe.

**The Reaper** · 10-06-2014, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Joker

YOU TWO just don't get it!

Okay, name me a standing military that had women as it's fighting force. If they were so dammed good where are they today?

Be safe.

Well, the Israelis have females in their Army, but they pretty much have to, due to their manpower situation.

Haven't seen any of them in their infantry or SOF roles, either.

TR

**Box** · 10-06-2014, 20:52

...the Amazons could have been a global power with a little bit of tech support

Streck-Fu · 10-07-2014, 05:54

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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

...the Amazons could have been a global power with a little bit of tech support

They didn't employ logistics effectively.