Point Shooting

[badshot]

Nothing like being able to practice in your backyard every day. A fellow Montanan
shows some fast point shootin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqABkG1JpHM

Still has all his toes too

[Pete]

Originally Posted by badshot

..............Still has all his toes too

Due to that little metal deflector on the bottom of his rig. Look close and you'll see some dents.

Originally Posted by Pete

Due to that little metal deflector on the bottom of his rig. Look close and you'll see some dents.

What you're saying is, don't be standing to his right while on range.

[badshot]

Originally Posted by Pete

Due to that little metal deflector on the bottom of his rig. Look close and you'll see some dents.

LOL! Yes, useful for the wax and blank rounds at shows and demos. Notice when using the 250gr rounds the deflector is absent. Same trick but with softballs further out (couldn't find a video of that but know there is one).

You'll also notice where his elbow is when ever he point shots accurately, which he teaches to a few students each year.

He doesn't do it often because its painful, but he can fan his custom colt single action with each finger and point shoot faster than with his custom 1911, accurately. Sounds like a select fire weapon, impressive...

[Dusty]

Here's some fatass I mean badass point shooting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELol1dHjHEE

[badshot]

Had to go throw up, thanks for the image Dusty...

Originally Posted by 7624U

5Shot
Point shooting might be fine for police shooting, on unarmored people at close range. But now days with the high percentage of body armor on the battle field along with some no fail missions the military has, You will have to use your sights or your going to A. miss, B.have no effect on his body armor or C. worst case shoot a hostage.
Police officers do not know the gunfight is going to happen most the time.
On this side of the spectrum we expect the gunfight and leverage our body armor, speed, surprize, violence of action and numbers.

I will admit not so long ago it was viable when mass human wave attacks happen and I would revert back to pointing and shooting in that situation but for now I will use my front sight post.
You might want to look into Swat shootings also and see if they used Sights or point shooting.

As an after thought, below is a link to a pic that you may find of interest. Had never seen a target like that, so I bought one and used it for my first shots of the day with a rental. Someone on another forum complained that I had shot the hostage. I didn't know that it represented 2 people.

The point is that I don't think the talibandits use body armor, and in this case body armor wouldn't keep the target safe.


Also, when shooting in a hostage situation, why not just shoot a leg/s?

When whoever gets hit falls down or moves, shoot the perp.

Sorry for the comback post, but I usually make one or more hits in a 4 inch black at CQ distances, using a 175+ year old method shooting as fast as I can point my finger and pull the trigger.

See ya.

[cmts58]

Fox would sh*t themselves if they received footage of an officer risking a hostage like that.

"BUT IT'S JUST A FLESH WOUND!"


Besides being against everything a police force stands for to the civilian population, enough departments get sued already.

[PSM]

We did Quick Kill in Basic at Ft. Polk. It was the most (only) fun we had. Oddly, my favorite DS got shot in the butt. I swear it wasn't loaded, er, I mean me.

Pat

Originally Posted by 5shot

As an after thought, below is a link to a pic that you may find of interest. Had never seen a target like that, so I bought one and used it for my first shots of the day with a rental. Someone on another forum complained that I had shot the hostage. I didn't know that it represented 2 people.

The point is that I don't think the talibandits use body armor, and in this case body armor wouldn't keep the target safe.



Also, when shooting in a hostage situation, why not just shoot a leg/s?
When whoever gets hit falls down or moves, shoot the perp.

Sorry for the comback post, but I usually make one or more hits in a 4 inch black at CQ distances, using a 175+ year old method shooting as fast as I can point my finger and pull the trigger.

See ya.

I really hope that was a poor joke.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by 5shot

As an after thought, below is a link to a pic that you may find of interest. Had never seen a target like that, so I bought one and used it for my first shots of the day with a rental. Someone on another forum complained that I had shot the hostage. I didn't know that it represented 2 people.

The point is that I don't think the talibandits use body armor, and in this case body armor wouldn't keep the target safe.


Also, when shooting in a hostage situation, why not just shoot a leg/s?

When whoever gets hit falls down or moves, shoot the perp.

Sorry for the comback post, but I usually make one or more hits in a 4 inch black at CQ distances, using a 175+ year old method shooting as fast as I can point my finger and pull the trigger.
See ya.

This is why we run these fourms, to stop the spread of really stupid advice. Above is really stupid thinking.

5shot, you're done here, please run along and give some other forums your advice.

And by the way, I get "all" of the shots in the 4 inch black as fast as I can pull the trigger, everytime and while indexing from target to target.

Team Sergeant

[SMP9168]

TS, please don't encourage this guy to go to other forums. He's already been kicked out of another before showing up here.

5shot, or should I say okjoe? Lets just go with John. You still never responded to the numerous, simple questions posed to you on another restricted forum. For instance, how you gained access to a law enforcement only website when you've never spent a day in law enforcement. I've also had a hard time relocating your bio on your website, you seem to have hid it well.

Anyway, good luck to you John. I thought the entertainment value I got from reading your posts was over....

[SMP9168]

Oh, almost forgot! You can do some digging and find that 5shot (then okjoe) posted on the Huffington Post about his beloved "aimed point shooting" technique. He tells the Post audience of "the world of the gun," and the reality of gunfights. However, in all of the research I did months ago, all I could come up with was his experience in shooting pie tins and paper targets. He sure has read a lot though!

[Lmmsoat]

I agree with TS. We have moved onto better things. From several friends who can provide anecdotal evidence, when they had to use their pistol at close distance, they didn't see anything. They just pointed and shot.

At first glance one would say, "Aha, point shooting works.". When you decipher their skill level and training you would come to a different conclusion. They were able to hit the bad guy on the first shot because they new what "right looked like". Even great civilian shooters like rob lathem and others will tell you for close in shooting, just aim down the slide. Bottom line is you are still aiming. If you are close enough to shoot from the hip, you are one step from hand to hand and at that point a five year old has the skill to hit the target.

The old school method of point shooting has the shooter holding the pistol above waist level in a particular stance. If you think about it, you are still using a form of aiming. You are training your body to assume a position upon draw. After draw you "point" the gun at the target. If you want to admit it or not, you are still aiming. You have learned what "right looks like" upon draw before firing.

The only difference between modern rapid aimed shooting and point shooting is the ability of the shooter to switch to longer distances.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Lmmsoat

I agree with TS. We have moved onto better things. From several friends who can provide anecdotal evidence, when they had to use their pistol at close distance, they didn't see anything. They just pointed and shot.

At first glance one would say, "Aha, point shooting works.". When you decipher their skill level and training you would come to a different conclusion. They were able to hit the bad guy on the first shot because they new what "right looked like". Even great civilian shooters like rob lathem and others will tell you for close in shooting, just aim down the slide. Bottom line is you are still aiming. If you are close enough to shoot from the hip, you are one step from hand to hand and at that point a five year old has the skill to hit the target.

The old school method of point shooting has the shooter holding the pistol above waist level in a particular stance. If you think about it, you are still using a form of aiming. You are training your body to assume a position upon draw. After draw you "point" the gun at the target. If you want to admit it or not, you are still aiming. You have learned what "right looks like" upon draw before firing.

The only difference between modern rapid aimed shooting and point shooting is the ability of the shooter to switch to longer distances.

Where were you in '90 when I wasted 6 weeks at Mott Lake?