05-10-2010, 15:22
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We are supposedly using this in the Summer?
http://www.popsci.com/technology/art...-weapon-battle
Saw this article has anyone heard about it or field tested it out other then the soldier from some ACR ?
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05-10-2010, 18:11
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If each round ensured a hit or near hit on an enemy, it would be money well spent. IIRC, during the Vietnam War, something like 1 out of 50,000 rounds hit an enemy...
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05-10-2010, 21:30
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And we thought the M-4's were cool when we got them. They are only good to 500M though?
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05-10-2010, 22:17
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Another leftover from the OICW fiasco. 
The warhead lacks lethality, unless it goes off in the barrel as it did during testing.
Too heavy, too expensive, and eats very heavy batteries like a mofo.
I do not see SF using this.
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05-11-2010, 20:36
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The warhead is going to take few seconds to get downrange, and it's very seldom going to cause even a disabling injury to anyone more than six or seven meters from point of detonation. The bad guys over in the sandbox have lots of bad qualities, but total stupidity isn't one of them; they're going to figure out pretty quick to pop up, shoot, pop back down and move ten meters to one side or the other. This is even assuming that the system works as advertised. Back in the late, great, Southeast Asia wargames, we were given some experimental M-79 rounds which (on a vacant parking lot) bounced and detonated in the air a few fractions of a second later. On dirt or vegetation they just bounced.
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05-11-2010, 23:46
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Sounds like a solution in need of a problem. Aren't most engagements in Afghanistan beyond 500m anyway? Why are we buying plasma rifles in 40w range, when the money could be used to refit our current equipment? I know I would appreciate it more if everyone in my squad had a PAQ4/PEQ15, and M4's that still had some finish left on them. JMO though.
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05-21-2010, 02:07
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I agree with everyone I do not see this as a tactically sound or efficient weapon for any team. It seems far to bulky and cumbersome.
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05-21-2010, 02:50
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The Army spent millions with HK to develop this, and it was an epic failure when it was killed ten years ago.
Looks like they are trying to recoup some of their losses by repackaging, renaming, and reissuing it.
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05-21-2010, 06:04
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Quote:
Looks like they are trying to recoup some of their losses by repackaging, renaming, and reissuing it.
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You're right about that, Sir. Expect the NDIA jockeys will never give up. Used car salesmen in plaid pants. Wait 'til the next "expo" and this round will be the best thing to come along since they tried to sell striped paint to the Navy.
There'll be PowerPoint slides, voice over narratives, free mousepads and pens... Can't wait...gets me all choked up just thinking about it.(sigh)
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05-21-2010, 09:20
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A well trained 'natural' with an M203 or M79 can hit a window ... and have the round go off in the room... is there really a need for a laser?
Also, if you're close enough... you can throw a grenade into a window.
Spend the money on good equipment, training and food for the troops, not expensive BS that's going to make an arms company rich.
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05-21-2010, 09:51
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05-21-2010, 10:27
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The OCIW has been stripped into three separate possible weapon components and are again being pushed through such crap as "Weaponology" (sp?) shows, and other BS on Discovery and Military channels. They show guys in uniform shooting it and how great it is. It is similar to the so called .50 replacement that fires a similar round very fast and a computer sets each war head to detonate at a set location based o the sight and laser range finder. The operator can set point impact, delay, or proximity. I still have not seen an official test of any of them. H&K is really trying to salvage this one. I saw this crap in the early 90s and it did not work then and as far as I know does not work any better now.
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05-21-2010, 11:34
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Each Program Manager - Small Arms (a full colonel) has to show he fielded a weapon to the Warfighter in Combat if he expects to make brigadier -- which is why none of these bad/stupid ideas dies.
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05-21-2010, 12:34
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The cost of funding this weapon system could have (and should have) been used to begin re-phasing the M4 upper receiver with a piston impingement system. Like so many have already stated this system will prove to be ineffective in the field, and what it will accomplish can already be achieved by properly employing weapons already in use.
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05-22-2010, 09:38
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I have to agree with x-SF Med. An experienced M-79 user can be very accurate.
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