Time to buy some new stuff

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by 82ndtrooper

I purchased a firearm Tuesday night (yes, election day) I literally was the last customer at 7:45 pm to get approval to take possession of the firearm.

I did the same thing, I thought I'd beat the crowd the next morning

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by rubberneck

I was wondering if you might be willing to discuss the mechanics of a Federal Lawsuit in opposition to a new AWB. If the Congress is foolish enough to revisit this issue I have to believe that the NRA will fight it in the Courts citing Heller. How does that prospect effect the time line for implementing an new AWB. If such litigation can tie up an AWB for several years it might change how I view my purchasing decisions now.

Too busy right now to find answers on this and the CA AWB issue raised above, but I will get to it later. Please remind me if I forget.

[JSE]

I'm inclined to believe the Democrats might wait a while before the issue of gun control is touched. Gore ran on a gun control platform in 2000 and lost and the only thing I've heard over the past two years in regards to Democrats and gun control was when the Brady Law expired. A lot of this "They're gonna ban EVERYTHING!" seems to me as conservative rhetoric and a scare tactic so I just don't know what to expect. May as well plan for the worst, I reckon...

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by JSE

I'm inclined to believe the Democrats might wait a while before the issue of gun control is touched. Gore ran on a gun control platform in 2000 and lost and the only thing I've heard over the past two years in regards to Democrats and gun control was when the Brady Law expired. A lot of this "They're gonna ban EVERYTHING!" seems to me as conservative rhetoric and a scare tactic so I just don't know what to expect. May as well plan for the worst, I reckon...

Where were you when the Brady Bill and AWB were passed?

The libs are in charge of the Dims and this will be one of the first things they do next year.

TR

[JSE]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Where were you when the Brady Bill and AWB were passed?

Eleven years old and didn't have a care in the world about guns.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by JSE

Eleven years old and didn't have a care in the world about guns.

Well then, suffering through it this time should make you more aware if it ever happens again.

TR

[JSE]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Well then, suffering through it this time should make you more aware if it ever happens again.

TR

Rest assured, sir, I am taking notes and reviewing the facts.

[sf11b_p]

Originally Posted by JSE

Rest assured, sir, I am taking notes and reviewing the facts.

Really. Why don't you start with some homework.

Begin by googling the names Charles Schumer, Dianne Feinstein with guns, gun control.

Check on the fact that despite both the aboved names stance on guns, in 2005 at least, they both possessed unrestricted concealed weapons permits.

Then just run google for anti-gun quotes.

We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that... If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime. - Mary Ann Carlson, Member of the Senate: 1989-90, 1991-92 (Democratic leader), and 1993-94.

The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business. - New York Times 1975-09-24

You know I don't believe in people owning guns, only the police and military. And I'm going to do everything I can to disarm this state. - Michael Dukakis, Governor (MA) 1974-1979, 1983-91 Presidential Candidate 1988

in conversation with Mike Yacino, MA Gun Owner's Action League, and Roy Innis, CORE. 1986-06-16

I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" -- quote -- to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step." - Barbara Fass, former Mayor Stockton, CA, ABC News Special, Peter Jennings: Guns 1991-04-11

The NRA is bound and determined not to allow the Brady Bill to be enacted. And they're a fearsome opponent. They see this as `threshold' legislation. Because they realize if we get the Brady Bill to President Clinton and he signs it into law, then the door will be wide open for further gun control legislation. Of course, we hope that's true because, as you know, our campaign to enact a National Gun Policy to combat gun violence doesn't end with the Brady Bill - it just begins. - Sarah Brady, HCI newsletter 1993-03

Mr. Speaker, my bill prohibits the importation, exportation, manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and handgun ammunition. It establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of handguns. It provides many exceptions for gun clubs, hunting clubs, gun collectors, and other people of that kind. - Major Owens, Representative (D-Brooklyn, NY)
(1983–2007), Congressional Record H9088 at H9094 1993-11-10

Banning guns is an idea whose time has come. - Senator Joseph Biden, AP 1993-11-18

Our goal is to not allow anybody to buy a handgun. In the meantime, we think there ought to be strict licensing and regulation. Ultimately, that may mean it would require court approval to buy a handgun. - Michael K. Beard, President of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Washington Times, p. A1 1993-12-06

Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal. - Janet Reno, U.S. Attorney General (1993–2001) 1993-12-10

We must get rid of all the guns. - Sarah Brady, Phil Donahue Show 1994

Senator Dianne Feinstein: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out-right ban, picking up every one of them... 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." - CBS "60 Minutes", February 5, 1995

In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea... Ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry if it is to have a modicum of domestic tranquility of the kind enjoyed by sister democracies such as Canada and Britain. Given the frontier history and individualist ideology of the Unisted States, however, this will not come easily. It certainly cannot be done radically. It will probably take one, maybe two generations. It might be 50 years before the United States gets to where Britain is today. Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic -- purely symbolic -- move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation. - Charles Krauthammer, Disarm the Citizenry, But Not Yet Washington Post 1996-04-05

Time national correspondent Jack E. White one-upped Mr. Thomas: "Whatever is being proposed is way too namby-pamby. I mean, for example, we're talking about limiting people to one gun purchase or handgun purchase a month. Why not just ban the ownership of handguns when nobody needs one? Why not just ban semi-automatic rifles? Nobody needs one." - L. Brent Bozell III, Lock-and-Load Mode Against the 2nd, Washington Times, 1999-05-08

Repealing the Second Amendment is no cause for the faint-hearted, but it remains the only way for liberals to trigger an honest debate on the future of our bullet-plagued society. So what if anti-gun advocates have to devote the next 15 or 20 years to the struggle? The cause is worth the political pain. Failing to take bold action condemns all of us to spend our lives cringing in terror every time we hear a car backfire. - Walter Shapiro, columnist USA Today, 1999-09-17

When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans... And so a lot of people say theres too much personal freedom. When personal freedoms being abused, you have to move to limit it. Thats what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how were going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities. - Bill Clinton

The constitution is a radical document. It is the job of government to reign in people's rights. - Bill Clinton

Seriously, how many times do you need to be knocked down before you realize someone is trying to knock you out. "Scare tactics", hardly, there is a known entity and a clear agenda.

Some other opinions.

“What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” — Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

“No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” — Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334, [C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950]

“That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms … ” — Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

“Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms … The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible.” — Hubert H. Humphrey, Senator, Vice President, 22 October 1959

[JGarcia]

Thanks for that reminder of just exactly where they are coming from. It remains to be seen if they still think they can pull off a comprehensive gun grab in light of the recent Supreme Court Decision.

[KClapp]

Originally Posted by JGarcia

Thanks for that reminder of just exactly where they are coming from. It remains to be seen if they still think they can pull off a comprehensive gun grab in light of the recent Supreme Court Decision.

The Heller decision has not been incorporated and it left "reasonable restrictions" open to the legislatures. And since when has the Constitution had any impact on the creation of laws? We continually enact laws that could be construed as unconstitutional, yet we continue to enforce them. They can only be overturned if the courts view them as unconstitutional. For the last century or so the courts have been allowed to legislate from the bench, so personal ideology guides their decisions and not the constitution.

I quit living in the fantasy that somehow our Constitution is still valid sometime ago. We have set it aside as irrelevant and the proof is in the fact we concern ourselves with the stacking of judges in the SCOTUS.

The Marxists have been masterful in their subjugation of the last three generations of Americans. Those who recognize what we have become are in the minority. An entire major political party has been co-opted by them and they control post-secondary acadamia and dominate our education system in general.

I come to the QP site because this appears to be the last vestige of those who truely believe in the Constitution and the ideology it represents. Damn my heart is heavy!

[JSE]

Back on topic...

I placed an order last night with Rock River for a 16" mid-length lightweight barrel and one or two other parts. All together it cost $204 and I then received an email from RRA confirming my order, along with a memo that I should expect to wait 60-90 days for the parts.

Here's the full memo:

Thank you for your online order. Please allow 8-10 weeks delivery for basic .223 upper halves. Please allow 10-12 weeks delivery for basic .223 rifles and kits. Please allow 12-14 weeks delivery for Pro-Series Rifle Packages, 9mm upper halves and rifles and .223/9mm pistols and pistol upper halves. The RRA LAR-8 is in limited production, RRA is filling existing orders in date order from oldest to newest within specific models. LAR-15 .223 stripped lowers and complete lower halves are now shipping within 2 to 4 weeks. Barrel orders will ship approximately 60-90 days from order date. Accessories and parts will be shipped separately from upper/rifle orders unless otherwise specified. If you have any questions, please call 1-866-980-ROCK (7625) or e-mail info@rockriverarms.com.

NOTE: Once submitted, all orders are final. Any changes in your order requested after submission, including configuration, subs, etc., will result in a $25 reprocessing charge. If there is a Shipping Charge listed above, it is an estimate for UPS Ground shipment. If the Shipping Charge is listed as TBD, shipping charges are To Be Determined. Shipping via U.S. Mail, 2nd Day Air or Next Day Air will vary. Shipping to Alaska, Hawaii and International destinations will vary. If this is a credit card purchase, charges will appear on your credit card statement from Rock River Arms. Non- exempt Illinois residents are charged 6.75 % sales tax. All NFA rules apply. Not responsible for typographical errors. All prices, availability and specifications are subject to change without notice.

I tried to call RRA about twenty times today to get a confirmed ETA on my parts but the line was busy every time. I'm not 100% sure if the wait is related to the election results but I seriously hope they don't take that long. I sure would have reconsidered my order had I been informed of the wait before I placed the order. I thought some of you would like to know.

[Smokin Joe]

First of all if you can get a hold of a gun store or firearm manufacture on the phone over the next week or two you will be lucky. EVERYONE, I have been in contact with lately is SWAMPED beyond belief.

Additionally, by the end of this weekend do not expect to see any AR-15's in stock. I was at a gun store earlier today and they were flying off the shelf two at a time. And these were no smoking deals either, people were paying about 25%-35% over traditional mark up just to have them in hand before the weekend.

I bought some stuff admittedly the deals were not great, but I would say I paid fair market value. I got a Surefire can for $1300.00 and some other stuff.

Lastly, if you are in the market for a Surefire can and you find someone who has them instock you may not want to hesitate on making the purchase. Everyone in the Phoenix area is either out, on back order, or only carrying very obscure model Surefire cans. And you cannot start the class III paperwork until you have a can in hand.

[KClapp]

Originally Posted by JSE

I placed an order last night with Rock River for a 16" mid-length lightweight barrel

You will like that barrel/upper, I have one.

As for RRA's wait, that's been going on for some time. My local dealer is a large dealer for them. In fact, he's the guy that got them doing the lightweight middies. He indicated that they've curtailed their 1911 production just to try and keep up demand for AR's.

[sf11b_p]

The buying spree is getting media attention now.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...4A71LQ20081108

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...cause_of_f.php

[echoes]

Peeking in here slowly...FWIW,

Every year the"Arms" show has its annual meeting at the expo center here in T-Town, and it starts today.
Anyway, since I was young it was called the "gun and kife show." They had to change the name per some rediculous legilation passed here a while back. But today, as of 2 hours ago, the roads leading to the expo were jammed with more vehicles than I could count...traffic was at a standstill, and I was driving two miles away from the location.

Guess more folks are realizing what this new election will mean...after all, we 'round these parts are the "red-neck gun owners our next CIC was speaking of.

Holly