Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

[tonyz]

Ark. District Arming More Than 20 Teachers, Staff With Guns

By ANDREW DeMILLO Associated Press
CLARKSVILLE, Ark. July 30, 2013 (AP)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/story/ark...m%2F4850013923

[MR2]

Massad Ayoob: The right carry gun

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For that matter, when the individual finds a single gun that seems best suited to him or her, even that isn’t always the best for all the time, in every place or season. We don’t wear the same clothing in a New Hampshire winter we’d wear in an Arizona summer. We don’t hunt woodchucks with the same guns we’d use to hunt moose. Why use one gun for every single time we carry?


The bottom line? It’s up to each of us to assess our own “threat profile.” Each of us has different body shapes and wardrobe selections for both workdays and “off-duty.” Each of us has different mixes of experience and habituation with guns. And all those things can change day-to-day, season-to-season, and situation-to-situation.

No one else decides for us. The choices are ours. And if you wind up with a “wardrobe of carry guns” just as you already have a wardrobe of clothing for different seasons and occasions… well, there just isn’t anything wrong with that.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

Regarding the 1939 case, shotguns were used very extensively in World War I by the U.S. military. They were nicknamed "trench brooms" and the Germans wanted to try American soldiers who used them as war criminals. So they most definitely are "military weapons."

IIRC, Miller was sporting a sawed-off double barrel, not a trench gun.

TR

[tonyz]

An interesting story - complete article at link below.

Virginia gun crime drops, as state's firearms sales soar

Published August 04, 2013
FoxNews.com

Amid calls nationwide for stricter gun control laws, Virginia is experiencing a unique trend: the state's gun-related crime is declining but firearms sales are increasing.

Firearms sales rose 16 percent to a record 490,119 guns purchased from licensed gun dealers in 2012, according to sales estimates obtained by the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

During the same period, major crimes committed with firearms dropped 5 percent to 4,378.

"This appears to be additional evidence that more guns don't necessarily lead to more crime," said Thomas R. Baker, an assistant professor at Virginia Commonwealth University's L. Douglas Wilder School of Government and Public Affairs who specializes in research methods and criminology theory.

"It's a quite interesting trend given the current rhetoric about strengthening gun laws and the presumed effect it would have on violent crimes," Baker told the newspaper. "While you can't conclude from this that tougher laws wouldn't reduce crime even more, it really makes you question if making it harder for law-abiding people to buy a gun would have any effect on crime."

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/04...+Latest+-+Text)

[badshot]

Originally Posted by fng13

That opinion has also been used to show the idea that the NFA should have no bearing over weapons that are in common use by the military, such as machine guns, silencers etc.

Today that opinion may be contested as written because short barrel shotguns are in fact in use by the military.

Even seen Detectives in the Bronx use the old sawed off double barrel side by side during raids.

Can't miss

[pcfixer]

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.or...etterv11n3.pdf

Robert A. Levy is chairman of the Cato Institute and co-counsel in the landmark Supreme Court case, District of Columbia v. Heller.
Levy spoke in the Institute’s F. A. Hayek Auditorium in June.

The right to bear arms, however, is not absolute. Like other provisions of the Bill of Rights, it’s subject to reasonable restrictions.
Nevertheless, the Supreme Court declared in both Heller and McDonald that the right to bear arms is considered a “fundamental right.”
What does that mean? It means individuals enjoy a presumption of liberty. Government bears a heavy burden to justify any regulations that would compromise our right to bear arms.

That point was central to a ruling in December 2012 by the U.S. Court of Appeals in Moore v. Madigan, which overturned
the Illinois ban on concealed-carry of firearms. The state, said the court, failed to meet its burden of proof.
With that as a brief background, let’s look at some of the current gun control proposals that are pending before both Congress and state legislatures.
Take, for instance, highcapacity magazines. It’s not difficult to imagine multiple-victim killings—
like the ones in Newtown—where innocent lives might have been saved if we had an effective ban on highcapacity magazines. The key word, of
course, is “effective.” An ineffective ban is worse than useless because it deters only law-abiding citizens. So what restrictions should be allowed?

One point I seem to always hear from the anti-gun crowd is "The right to keep and bear arms is not absolute." Mr Levy uses that phrase here in this letter.
It's like the difference between weapon and firearm.

I am one who is in favor of the "presumption of liberty".
http://www.cato.org/blog/presumption-liberty

[sinjefe]

Reasonable is an extraordinarily subjective term and, IMHO, one courts and legislators should not use. What is reasonable to one person most definitely won't be to another.

[tonyz]

1998 - July 2013 data for NICS background checks.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...als-033113.pdf

[BKKMAN]

Originally Posted by tonyz

1998 - July 2013 data for NICS background checks.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...als-033113.pdf

Those folks in Kentucky are some gun buying fools...

They've been averaging 2 million+ background checks for the last 5 years or so...

[tonyz]

Kentucky official state motto:

"United we stand, divided we fall"

Maybe, the KY state firearm should be the AR.

[tonyz]

Some interesting news from OZ.

GUN CRIME 'OUT OF CONTROL' DESPITE STRICT AUSTRALIA LAWS
Breitbart
by AWR HAWKINS 21 Aug 2013

As former Australian politician Tim Fischer turns the shooting of Christopher Lane into an opportunity to push a travel boycott until the U.S. changes its gun laws, police in Sydney launched "a new plan to tackle out-of-control gun violence" there.

The new action against gun violence was launched on August 21 and will pull together various police-sponsored gun control operations into one. The name of the new effort is Operation Talon.

According to the Ballina Shire Advocate, "over 9,000 guns have been taken off New South Wales (NSW) streets and 3352 people have charged" during previous operations in the last 12 months alone.

NSW police commissioner Andrew Scipione explained: "There is no single source of gun violence... guns have fallen into the hands of organized crime, outlaw motorcycle gangs, mid-level crime groups and petty thieves and the lines are often blurred."

Not ironically, Australia implemented a massive purge of guns in 1996, which included bans on "assault weapons" and other semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. They also did forced buybacks and then entered into a strict licensing and registration agreement where certain single-shot rifles and similar firearms could be owned but only if the owner provided justification for the possession of such a weapon.

Yet 17 years after the implementation of gun control schemes that are very similar in many ways to those being pushed by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Joe Manchin (D-WV), and Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the NSW police department is launching a new operation to rein in gun violence.

The lesson: criminals do not pay attention to gun bans. They never have and they never will.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...Out-Of-Control

[Jim72]

Originally Posted by tonyz

Some interesting news from OZ.

GUN CRIME 'OUT OF CONTROL' DESPITE STRICT AUSTRALIA LAWS
Breitbart
by AWR HAWKINS 21 Aug 2013

As former Australian politician Tim Fischer turns the shooting of Christopher Lane into an opportunity to push a travel boycott until the U.S. changes its gun laws, police in Sydney launched "a new plan to tackle out-of-control gun violence" there.

The new action against gun violence was launched on August 21 and will pull together various police-sponsored gun control operations into one. The name of the new effort is Operation Talon.

According to the Ballina Shire Advocate, "over 9,000 guns have been taken off New South Wales (NSW) streets and 3352 people have charged" during previous operations in the last 12 months alone.

NSW police commissioner Andrew Scipione explained: "There is no single source of gun violence... guns have fallen into the hands of organized crime, outlaw motorcycle gangs, mid-level crime groups and petty thieves and the lines are often blurred."

Not ironically, Australia implemented a massive purge of guns in 1996, which included bans on "assault weapons" and other semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. They also did forced buybacks and then entered into a strict licensing and registration agreement where certain single-shot rifles and similar firearms could be owned but only if the owner provided justification for the possession of such a weapon.

Yet 17 years after the implementation of gun control schemes that are very similar in many ways to those being pushed by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Joe Manchin (D-WV), and Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the NSW police department is launching a new operation to rein in gun violence.

The lesson: criminals do not pay attention to gun bans. They never have and they never will.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...Out-Of-Control

I remember the change in gun laws in Australia, was right after the Port Arthur massacre. From that point on my father and I were suppose to mount our rifles in a locked cabinet with the bolts kept separate and also the ammo stored separately.

In an emergency guess I could have used the rifle as a club while I rooted around in the dark putting it all together.

And yes I completely agree the crims don't ever obey gun laws anyways.

[Stobey]

This is an interesting turnaround. Because there has been no major news coverage regarding the many who have been seriously hurt - or killed - by this "knockout game", it is interesting to hear about when the criminal thugs target someone who does not choose to be a victim.

Yes, this is from WND; but Colin Flaherty is perhaps the only one covering this issue on a "national" format. (The crimes are sometimes reported on local news; but are always "played-down"; and generally there is no mention of just who the thugs are.)



http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/intended-...m-shoots-back/

[tonyz]

Not much new here, but it can be interesting to read the enemy's playbook...so much focus on making emotional arguments.

PREVENTING GUN VIOLENCE THROUGH EFFECTIVE MESSAGING

PREPARED BY:
FRANK O’BRIEN | OMP
JOHN NEFFINGER AND MATTHEW KOHUT | KNP COMMUNICATIONS AL QUINLAN | GREENBERG QUINLAN ROSNER RESEARCH

There is a 'gun control playbook' versus Washington gun owners

Examiner.com
August 1, 2013

The firearms community has long quipped about gun control strategies from a “playbook,” but yesterday a major gun rights group discovered that advice from a genuine guide to waging a politically-savvy gun control campaign – produced in part by Washington, D.C.consultants who did research for a Washington State gun control group – is part of that group’s political effort.

The 70-plus page guide, produced last year and posted on-line as a pdf by Temple Beth El though a link no longer appears on the TBE website, is titled “Preventing Gun Violence Through Effective Messaging.” It offers tips on everything from using effective rhetoric to dividing National Rifle Association members from NRA leadership. One of the people who prepared the guide was Al Quinlan, a principle of the Washington, D.C.-based firm of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner (GQR), which also has offices in London and Buenos Aires.

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http://www.examiner.com/article/ther...ton-gun-owners

Link to document below:

PREVENTING GUN VIOLENCE THROUGH EFFECTIVE MESSAGING

PREPARED BY:
FRANK O’BRIEN | OMP
JOHN NEFFINGER AND MATTHEW KOHUT | KNP COMMUNICATIONS AL QUINLAN | GREENBERG QUINLAN ROSNER RESEARCH

http://86262a2d5a8678610839-0d14e49e...de%20PDF-1.pdf

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

SB374, which redefines as "assault weapons" all semiautomatic centerfire rifles with detachable box magazines and thus outlaws any further purchases of them, just passed the committee, along with a number of other gun control measures, in California. Here is a website to send a letter to Jerry Brown: LINK

This is important, IMO, because California has a history of "pioneering" new gun control laws. Thus far, no state has tried to go so far as redefining "assault weapon" to constitute any semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine period. If this passes and the courts fail to shoot it down, then other courts around the country might see Cali's legislation as "reasonable gun control" and other states that lean Left will be very tempted to try something like this at some point IMO.

And just also California is a big state, we don't want a complete crackdown on gun rights there. If this was in Rhode Island or something, I wouldn't care as much. But as goes Cali on guns, so may go many other states and/or localities. And whatever you write to Governor Brown, be polite and professional.

Please reread what you wrote here and edit appropriately.

If I wrote something like "I wish California would just sink into the ocean and take their silly gun laws with them!", I think you might get offended. Ya think?

I would bet that people in RI that believe in the 2A probably care A LOT about ther rights too!

And each state that goes left of Cali affects us ALL!