Remington ACR or DSA SA58?

[Arma Viri]

@Reaper & Sacamuelas
I did search and read! What's the hostility all about? Why can't I have an open debate with you? You people have tons more experience than the Dutch have, I'm just curious about your findings on topics I like. That's all. I mean no disrespect whatsoever. Why am I being kept out? Because the M1 Carbine happens to be the one and only firearm I ever shot? Because when I applied for a job as an officer in my Army I got rejected simply because the pathetic psychologist who was doing the interview asked me the question on how I would treat my men while in harms way didn't like my answer, stating: 'I'd never order them to do something I wouldn't do myself, and I would turn to God for comfort after the mission got done'? Please, try to see it in retrospective: you can't discuss home improvement with a plumber because you aren't certified for that job?! I won't dicuss military history with my ever-interested nect door neighbour simply because she doesn't have a degree in history? Come on......! Again, I don't mean to troll your website or invade your community or whatever. I'm just interested in your straight forward feedback as a professional. I'm just a student from the Netherlands [a NATO ally!!!!] that happens to have a lot of respect for the experience and knowledge YOU [SOCOM] have. So why close yourself of from society? The military should be standing right in the middle of society.... (By all means, agree to disagree......)
I agree on the narrowing down to one weapon/caliber, but I'm just asking a straight forward question about these two. As general service rifles. Not too many people here care what they say on other forums or what your friends think. You know how opinions are.
Indeed. Neither do I care about other forums, that’s why I came to you guys in the first place. I want to know what the man on the ground with a track record thinks about this and that, not what some gun nut or desktop warrior claims.
I didn’t join PS.com to just ask gun questions. Not only, but in this topic yes I did.
Yes, with the proper paperwork and semi-auto only one can own a military grade rifle. Although gun regulations are very strict overhere and the Peoples Republic of the Netherlands has no such thing as the 2nd Amendement. So please forgive me for my lack of first hand firearms experience.....
And let me make it clear that I’m not some guy that made up an identity for himself. I really am who I am. If anybody around here feels the need to verify me with my professors/references: just PM me and I’ll give you their coordinates.
@Justinmd
That sounds interesting. Could you give me specifics about those ‘insights’ on the ACR [chambered in 6.8, not 5.56] and the 6.8 round?

[Peregrino]

Arma Viri - Your "frustration" is misplaced and attracting unwanted attention. You were told to use the search button. As a self-proclaimed student of military history, and a European to boot, it should be a relatively simple thing for you to research the StG 43 & 44, the 7.92 Kurtz cartridge, and the rationale behind the development of the "assault rifle" concept. The 6.8 falls within the parameters defining the ideal assault rifle cartridge. The US has followed a completely different route in its weapons development programs; i.e., we didn't adopt the "intermediate cartridge" concept for military use. FWIW - We're not going to anytime in the forseeable future. We've discussed this topic in various forms ad nauseum on this forum. 6.8 is not a military cartridge. It will never be a military cartridge (at least not in the US). We are Soldiers. That means that while some of us have an appreciation for the 6.8's specific characteristics, none of us really care to engage in another apples vs. oranges discussion (that dead horse was beaten into rotten hamburger years ago). Please consider the implications carefully before continuing to hammer away at this thread. Peregrino

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Arma Viri

@Reaper & Sacamuelas
I did search and read! What's the hostility all about? Why can't I have an open debate with you? You people have tons more experience than the Dutch have, I'm just curious about your findings on topics I like. That's all. I mean no disrespect whatsoever. Why am I being kept out? Because the M1 Carbine happens to be the one and only firearm I ever shot? Because when I applied for a job as an officer in my Army I got rejected simply because the pathetic psychologist who was doing the interview asked me the question on how I would treat my men while in harms way didn't like my answer, stating: 'I'd never order them to do something I wouldn't do myself, and I would turn to God for comfort after the mission got done'? Please, try to see it in retrospective: you can't discuss home improvement with a plumber because you aren't certified for that job?! I won't dicuss military history with my ever-interested nect door neighbour simply because she doesn't have a degree in history? Come on......! Again, I don't mean to troll your website or invade your community or whatever. I'm just interested in your straight forward feedback as a professional. I'm just a student from the Netherlands [a NATO ally!!!!] that happens to have a lot of respect for the experience and knowledge YOU [SOCOM] have. So why close yourself of from society? The military should be standing right in the middle of society.... (By all means, agree to disagree......)
I agree on the narrowing down to one weapon/caliber, but I'm just asking a straight forward question about these two. As general service rifles. Not too many people here care what they say on other forums or what your friends think. You know how opinions are.
Indeed. Neither do I care about other forums, that’s why I came to you guys in the first place. I want to know what the man on the ground with a track record thinks about this and that, not what some gun nut or desktop warrior claims.
I didn’t join PS.com to just ask gun questions. Not only, but in this topic yes I did.
Yes, with the proper paperwork and semi-auto only one can own a military grade rifle. Although gun regulations are very strict overhere and the Peoples Republic of the Netherlands has no such thing as the 2nd Amendement. So please forgive me for my lack of first hand firearms experience.....
And let me make it clear that I’m not some guy that made up an identity for himself. I really am who I am. If anybody around here feels the need to verify me with my professors/references: just PM me and I’ll give you their coordinates.
@Justinmd
That sounds interesting. Could you give me specifics about those ‘insights’ on the ACR [chambered in 6.8, not 5.56] and the 6.8 round?

AV:

I find 71 threads here that mention the 6.8, 47 that reference the ACR in some manner, and 25 that have DSA mentioned.

Did you read them before starting your new thread?

The comments directed towards you are because you appear to be starting another "which is better?" thread, when there is really no point to it. You will not be owning or shooting either rifle regardless.

Are you not a gun nut or desktop warrior yourself? This is not really a peer to peer exchange is it? Again, what is the point?

If you want to have a debate with other uninformed people, there are hundreds of firearms sites where you can do that. I encourage you to do so.

We use what we are issued. I suspect your Army does the same.

There are a number of non-US members on PS.com who get along just fine. It would seem that the have a good sense of how to conduct themselves here.

I am beginning to see your psychologist's point.

I discuss plumbing with my plumber because I am paying him $75 per hour, and he is satisfied talking about whatever I want to in lieu of working. Note that I don't talk to him much while the meter is running, unless I am preparing to do the job myself next time.

This is our board, as the rules state. We choose what we want to read about or discuss here. You are a guest. Conduct yourself appropriately.

If you continue digging, I am going to assist you in a method that will not be conducive to your further participation.

Best of luck.

TR

[Arma Viri]

I find 71 threads here that mention the 6.8, 47 that reference the ACR in some manner, and 25 that have DSA mentioned.

Thank you! I'll figure the comments out for myself then. I apologise for 'stepping in' too fast as a newbee.

Did you read them before starting your new thread?

Yes, one of them. (when I found PS.com in Google), but it was a very old thread about the ACR.

The comments directed towards you are because you appear to be starting another "which is better?" thread, when there is really no point to it. You will not be owning or shooting either rifle regardless.

Don't worrie. I'm planning on moving stateside permanently in a few years

Are you not a gun nut or desktop warrior yourself? This is not really a peer to peer exchange is it? Again, what is the point?

A gun nut, yeah maybe a little -you caught me off guard!-, desktop warrior? No way.... I'm not an Operator, I just like military hardware.

If you want to have a debate with other uninformed people, there are hundreds of firearms sites where you can do that. I encourage you to do so.

thefirearmblog....

We use what we are issued. I suspect your Army does the same.

The Dutch SF have their own G7 and seperate budget. they can go shopping for any tool they need. Including weapons that would not normally fall within the NATO logistics train.

There are a number of non-US members on PS.com who get along just fine. It would seem that the have a good sense of how to conduct themselves here.

Again, I apologize for that matter.

I am beginning to see your psychologist's point.

She didn't agree with me being a religious man and -hypothetically- always putting my men first. What's not to like?...

I discuss plumbing with my plumber because I am paying him $75 per hour, and he is satisfied talking about whatever I want to in lieu of working. Note that I don't talk to him much while the meter is running, unless I am preparing to do the job myself next time.

This is our board, as the rules state. We choose what we want to read about or discuss here. You are a guest. Conduct yourself appropriately.

If you continue digging, I am going to assist you in a method that will not be conducive to your further participation.

Hooah!

Best of luck.

u2

[DbeforeD]

You know, my mother always used to tell me to "be teachable". She is of Dutch desent, like myself. Why aren't you grasping this concept?