Halal Burgers Anyone?

[cback0220]

I fail to see what the problem is here. If I go to a kosher restaurant(used as an example) and they don't want to serve me pork products that is there choice. I made a conscience decision to go there knowing I would not get my fried pig fat sandwich.

How is it discrimination if you have to choose to go somewhere based on the menu. If I want to go to McDonald's and get a TOFU burger is it discrimination when they won't give it me? No, it is a restaurant serving what is on its menu.

[Pete]

Put enough Ketchup on it and even a French halal burger will taste like it's an American one.

[skylinedrive]

Quick fast food restaurants are even worse then Mickey D's ......so I don't give a shit if their Burgers are halal or not. Till very recently they never had any burgers with pork on the menu anyhow.

[drymartini66]

Originally Posted by Pete

Put enough Ketchup on it and even a French halal burger will taste like it's an American one.

And with some Tabasco, even better.

[hoepoe]

Originally Posted by cback0220

I fail to see what the problem is here. If I go to a kosher restaurant(used as an example) and they don't want to serve me pork products that is there choice. I made a conscience decision to go there knowing I would not get my fried pig fat sandwich.

How is it discrimination if you have to choose to go somewhere based on the menu. If I want to go to McDonald's and get a TOFU burger is it discrimination when they won't give it me? No, it is a restaurant serving what is on its menu.

I'm with cback0220 on this.



Where's the issue?

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[11B2V]

Big picture, PRB is absolutely right.

[orion5]

It's not just about the inalienable right to order a bacon burger.

To me, the point is the bigger picture...not just the halal food, but the halal preparation process. I found this whole French skirmish interesting because after 4 years living/working in muslim countries I learned the halal food process is not that benign.

It's not just what is on the menu, but behind the scenes how the food is slaughtered, prepared, processed, transported, stored, handled and served. The animal must be bled to death and slaughtered in the name of Allah. The tools and machinery and facilities must be purified and certified. It also means ensuring your employees are fully trained and committed to proper handling of halal foods.

You can do your own halal search, if interested, but here is one quick summary from the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations: link

Originally Posted by prb

Islam is not a benign element that gives and takes. It takes.

Where I agree with PRB is that I see this as the beginning of a one-way transition process.

Step 1 is offering halal exclusive food on menus, which is usually a marketing gimmick to make more money. Ah, but once that door is open, here comes the next few steps.

Step 2 will be the customer objections to the halal food, saying "you marketed it as 'halal' but it's not really 'halal' because it is not slaughtered according to Islamic law," thereby pressuring Quick to make their halal standards more strict (which changes the processes for supply chain, vendor selection, food quality and auditing, and maybe even food costs).

Step 3 will be the complaints that the food is still not 'halal' because those employees preparing it aren't trained/certified in Islamic dietary law (which changes the hiring/training/management process).

Step 4 will be the objections that the Quick kitchens are not really 'halal' because the tools/utensils are not purified according to Islamic dietary law.........and so on and so forth.


As an example of the above, KFC started offering halal meat in some of its UK restaurants in 2009, which was quickly followed by Muslim objections: link

However, YMMV. Be interested to continue to hear all of your opinions on this.

o5

[Richard]

Restaurants cater to their majority clientele. Ever go to a McDonald's outside the US? Different menus abound. Even here in the US - the menus vary somewhat regionally and locally. Some McDonald's I've stopped at in the US don't even offer my favorite - the classic Double Cheeseburger - ChiCom jihadi MFers have infiltrated everywhere.

IMO - this is just another non-issue being made into something more than it should be - I wonder if the good mayor of Roubaix isn't FN* and it's an election year over there, too?

And so it goes...

Richard's $.02

* National Front

[orion5]

Originally Posted by Richard

I wonder if the good mayor of Roubaix isn't FN* and it's an election year over there, too?

Richard, you're right. Regional elections in France in March. Definitely the mayor is using this as a political opportunity.

[skylinedrive]

Originally Posted by Richard

Restaurants cater to their majority clientele. Ever go to a McDonald's outside the US? Different menus abound. Even here in the US - the menus vary somewhat regionally and locally. Some McDonald's I've stopped at in the US don't even offer my favorite - the classic Double Cheeseburger - ChiCom jihadi MFers have infiltrated everywhere.

IMO - this is just another non-issue being made into something more than it should be - I wonder if the good mayor of Roubaix isn't FN* and it's an election year over there, too?

And so it goes...

Richard's $.02

* National Front

That was also my first thought, but the good mayor is a socialist in fact ( which would be more or less the same then a progressive Democrat in the US, definitely not a commie)!
I'm deeply ashamed that I post something positive about France , even more ashamed that I post something positive about socialists......but many left wing french politicians view the ongoing "islamization" with mixed feelings. In France there is not the traditionnal divide inbetween the right, or even extreme right and the center and left, when it comes to the relations with the muslim population!
In fact many frenchmen from the left of the political spectrum are afraid for their concept of "laicité" = strict separation of religious beliefs and public life, furthermore they see the core "valeurs républicaines" ( valors of the republic?) threatened, "liberté, égalité, fraternité" and all.

So in France a left wing politician can be as rabbidly anti-islamist as a FN politician.

[Pete]

France's halal meat - is it the real thing?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11176949

"......Halal food is big business in France, and is growing fast. With the largest Muslim population in Europe at about six million, France's halal market it is already reckoned to be worth 5.5bn euros (£4.5bn) - twice the size of that for organic food.

While the burgers served at Quick are genuinely halal, experts have doubts about much of what is sold elsewhere.

Rachid Bakhalq, the owner of a halal supermarket in Nanterre, a suburb to the north of Paris, says the market is swamped with bogus products.

He told me "80% - most of the halal products based on meat - are not halal at all."......"

That Halal you're eating just might not be Halal. If there's a franc to be made.......