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**Razor** · 01-31-2006, 21:14

Between the improvement in weight equipment I've heard about and what you just described, that ISOFAC has really come a long way! Glad the boys have something like that available.

NousDefionsDoc · 01-31-2006, 21:37

Well then, I apologize for laughing at him. I might be a little jaded, having lived through the Maaaaster Savelli era in the same unit Reaper mentioned.

This however, still cracks me up:
"Linear Infighting Neural-override Engagement System"

Since you guys say he is good to go, I'll be nice.

gtcrispy · 01-31-2006, 22:10

Like Surgicalcric said, it is taught during Phase 2. In Language they school they took volunteers then forced others to go through the course to meet their quota of 50 guys. I think they spent 2 weeks training for 4hrs in the morning before class and became LINE instructor qualified.

Warrior-Mentor · 02-01-2006, 01:36

[QUOTE=NousDefionsDoc]
This however, still cracks me up:
"Linear Infighting Neural-override Engagement System"
[QUOTE]

It's a silly acronym and Ron will admit that. He named it Lines because the students train in lines. The acronym LINES came later...

resonant evil · 02-02-2006, 19:06

I first came across LINES while in the Corps. We did LINES 1-3 in MCT at Camp LeJeune, in '94. I went back for some TDY in '99 and went to his school for a couple of weeks. Did the instructor course at Bragg in '04.

Would I use any of it in a fight, I think your fight style is a culmination of everything you have learned and practiced, so uh... (OK maybe not the Line II stuff) A tool for the box, not everything is a top shelf grab.

Came in real handy as PT and motivational tool for the Iraqi Army. Very easy to teach! You get very good feedback from students, and you can teach alot of students. I think that is the biggest benifit.

Monsoon65 · 06-27-2007, 17:29

I just read in the AF Times that LINES is going to be taught to some of the Airman now. TACPs and SPs are being taught this program and I think it might open up to more. The big question was why the AF is adopting a program that the USMC and SF dropped in the past.

I'm all for teaching some sort of H2H to Airman. It's worth the time and money if it helps some guy getting jumped outside a bar while on leave or prevents a female Airman from being raped some night.

Leozinho · 06-27-2007, 17:48

I heard Donvito no longer has the contract to teach combatives at SWCS. Maybe someone will tell us what is being taught now.

NousDefionsDoc · 06-27-2007, 18:59

I will never understand why we feel we have to keep re-inventing this wheel.

Surgicalcric · 06-27-2007, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leozinho

...Maybe someone will tell us what is being taught now.

In the Echo course and the Delta course they were teaching grappling last I heard, which was current as of 2 weeks ago.

I concur with NDD.

Crip

Go For Broke · 06-28-2007, 11:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leozinho

I heard Donvito no longer has the contract to teach combatives at SWCS. Maybe someone will tell us what is being taught now.

WRT SWCS...no clue.

But when I signed in to the 1st Group back in '02, they were teaching combatives - specifically, the thought processes (to differentiate from style or school) of Kelly Worden (Renegade JKD) and Marcelus Alonso (Gracie family BJJ). Nowadays, they are using the thought processes of Chief D. / COL W. / and numerous other guys with martial (military) arts training. The other Groups use other ideas of combatives. It is all good...

I agree that the L.I.N.E.S. / Modern Army Combatives / or whatever "style" is taught, is good for the force. For those in the 1st Group, it has the added benefit, in that it helps to give credibility to us on JCETs with HN forces as I found out when discussing the merits of Pikita Tersia in the Philippines with a PHILMAR.

My only caution would be that we do not get too tied to a system / style that we forget we work in (a) different environment(s), e.g. going to the ground to apply a triangle lock / arm bar - works great in training, until your "partner" steps on your head multiple times or when whipping out your knife when a simple hammerlock would work.

Just my humble $0.02.

On a seperate note - Mr Harsey, how much input did you get from the 1st Group on the design of the Pacific? Looks like there were some Asiatic influenced features i.e., the the curve of the handle and the striations on the pommel.

V/R,

H2H · 07-04-2007, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leozinho

I heard Donvito no longer has the contract to teach combatives at SWCS. Maybe someone will tell us what is being taught now.

It is my understanding that Ron and Mike have re-located to FL looking for an Air Force contract. There is a great article about Lines vs. Modern Army Combatives in last week AF Times.

SWCS recently had a great group of soldiers graduate from the Level III Modern Army Combatives Instructor Course. I was able to watch the progressing of many of the soldiers starting with the Level I course, then level II and then finally to the 4 week Level III course. As a whole, they were a very skilled group.

I would not want to make any assumptions, but the SF Community is giving a commitment to the MAC Program with training instructors, which could lead to MAC being taught in SWCS.

Maybe there are a few guys from the Level III course on here that could weigh-in with experiences from the course.

Jeff