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Tom:
I think we are pretty much on the same page.
TRU:
I generally agree with your comments, but follow this:
Rem 700 w/optics, mount, sling - 11 lbs.
AK w/sling and empty mag - 9 lbs.
Glock 19 w/ empty mag and holster - 2 lbs.
Ruger Mk 2 w/ empty mag and holster - 2 lbs.
24 lbs., plus ammo:
7.62x51 - 19 rds./lb.
7.62x39 - 28 rds./lb. (plus .5 - 1.0 lb./mag)
9x19 - 38 rds/lb. (plus mag wt.=.5 lb./loaded 15 rd mag.)
.22LR - 133 rds./lb. (plus mag wt.)
Sample load:
100 rds. 7.62x51 - 5 lbs.
150 rds. 7.62x39 in 5 30 rd. mags - 10 lbs.
50 rds. 9x19 in 3 15 rd. mags - 2 lbs.
200 rds. .22LR and 2 spare 10 rd. mags - 2 lbs.
Total, weapon, accessories and ammo:
Rem 700 w/ 100 rounds - 15 lbs.
AK47 w/ 5 loaded 30 rd. mags - 19 lbs.
Glock 19 w/ 3 loaded 15 rd. mags - 3.5 lbs.
Ruger Mk 2. w/ 3 loaded 10 rd. mags and 170 spare rounds - 4 lbs.
Total weapons and ammo load weight: 41.5 lbs. + LCE
Either you are humping an 86.5 pound load (per the original scenario), or you are going to be dumping a lot of gear pretty quickly (and moving slowly to boot).
Not trying to bust your bubble, just trying to make everyone understand the tyranny of time, distance, and weight.
What do you (collectively) really have to have for the scenario?
Hint: I don't think two long guns, with lots of ammo, is feasible.
And I wouldn't necessarily sell the AR short for the AK, especially in the .300 Blackout.
Alternative weapons loadout:
16" lightweight, mid-length M-4 in .300 Blackout, with freefloat rail, 1.5-5x Leupold M/RT or TA-31 ACOG, Surefire M-600, BUIS, Otis pistol grip cleaning kit, sling, five GI mags, and Surefire 7.62 shorty suppressor. - 12 pounds.
Ruger .22/45 LITE in .22LR with night sights, 3x 10 rd. mags and suppressor 2 lbs.
[Optional Glock 19 w/ night sights, holster, empty mag - 2.0 lbs.]
150 rounds .300 AAC Blackout, supersonic 125 gr. Nosler BT - 6 lbs.
60 rounds .300 AAC Blackout, subsonic 220 gr. Sierra BTHP-MK - 2 lbs.
130 rounds .22LR HV HPs 1 lb.
70 rounds Lapua Match (subsonic) .5 lb.
[Optional pistol ammo 50 rds. 9x19 JHP +P in 3x 15 rd. mags - 1.5 lbs.]
Total, carbine, accessories, and ammo: 20 lbs.
Total, .22LR pistol, accessories, and ammo: 3 lbs.
[Total optional Glock pistol, accessories, and ammo: 3.5 lbs.]
Total weapons and ammo load weight (w/o Glock: 23 lbs. + LCE)
Total weapons and ammo load weight (w/ Glock: 26.5 lbs. + LCE)
Gross load, as per scenario: 68-71.5 lbs. Still heavy, but much easier than 86+ pounds, especially moving fast in bad terrain.
TR
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