1911 and Ammo

Scotty · 08-09-2005, 10:55

Hey guys, long time no see.

I recently bought a new toy and am having the same issues as I've had with my Kimbers, Colts, and Thompson 1911s.

After about 200 rds or so, the weapon starts gumming up and jamming. I've been shooting the Winchester battle packs. I might bump up to to a 240 grain round, I think Winchester's best in the the battle packs are 230.

What do you guys shoot for target/what do you do to the weapon to keep it from gumming badly?

BTW, here's my new toy. Custom built Strayer-Voigt frame, Caspian slide. Completely built from the ground up by master gunsmith Tommy Abernathy.

Scotty

**Dan** · 08-09-2005, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Scotty

...am having the same issues as I've had with my Kimbers, Colts, and Thompson 1911s.

...After about 200 rds or so, the weapon starts gumming up and jamming.

Based on these two comments I'd recommend telling folks here what your using as lubricant/other products used to care for the weapons.

**The Reaper** · 08-09-2005, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Scotty

Hey guys, long time no see.

I recently bought a new toy and am having the same issues as I've had with my Kimbers, Colts, and Thompson 1911s.

After about 200 rds or so, the weapon starts gumming up and jamming. I've been shooting the Winchester battle packs. I might bump up to to a 240 grain round, I think Winchester's best in the the battle packs are 230.

What do you guys shoot for target/what do you do to the weapon to keep it from gumming badly?

BTW, here's my new toy. Custom built Strayer-Voigt frame, Caspian slide. Completely built from the ground up by master gunsmith Tommy Abernathy.

Scotty

Scottay!

There are no commercial 240 gr. .45 ACP loads. I have never even seen a .45 bullet available in 240 gr.

I use CLP, any gun oil, Rigg's grease, or Mobil Synthetic, and have no problems with lube.

That is the ammo your gun was designed to run with. If you are starting with a clean, well-lubed, broken-in gun, and are getting stoppages after 200 rounds, you need to send it back to the master gunsmith who built it and tell him that it is not running.

Nice looking piece.

TR

Air.177 · 08-09-2005, 11:53

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

Scottay!

That is the ammo your gun was designed to run with. If you are starting with a clean, well-lubed, broken-in gun, and are getting stoppages after 200 rounds, you need to send it back to the master gunsmith who built it and tell him that it is not running.

Nice looking piece.

TR

Several of the people I shoot with run SV pistols of some sort, and they all recommend shooting AT LEAST 1000 rounds to break the pistol in, often more.

YMMV
Blake

Scotty · 08-09-2005, 12:09

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

Scottay!

There are no commercial 240 gr. .45 ACP loads. I have never even seen a .45 bullet available in 240 gr.

I use CLP, any gun oil, Rigg's grease, or Mobil Synthetic, and have no problems with lube.

That is the ammo your gun was designed to run with. If you are starting with a clean, well-lubed, broken-in gun, and are getting stoppages after 200 rounds, you need to send it back to the master gunsmith who built it and tell him that it is not running.

Nice looking piece.

TR

The weapon isn't quite broken in and is tight. I'm using Kleen Bore TW25B lube on her. I was reluctant to go with the grease and had always used clear oil, but it was recommended by several folks. It works great on the Grock 19 and I've never had a problem with that.

I haven't started using reloads in the SV yet, mostly because I haven't ordered the springs I'd need for my loads (and no, I've stopped making ++++++Ps, LOL), but I guess after a few hundred more rounds I'll see how she shoots and then take it back to Tommy. It's not cast so he might be able to widen the slide a few microns and get it moving better.

As it is, the thing puts a round anywhere you want it to. I've never shot a weapon more accurate. And I love the hi-cap ability without a long mag sticking out the bottom, and way the grip feels. It also came with the high beavertail grip safety that seats it just so.

Scotty

**The Reaper** · 08-09-2005, 12:15

Then get a couple of cases of ammo, your cleaning kit, a cooler of cold drinks, some hotties, and resolve yourself to going to the range and banging rounds till it stops, taking a break, cleaning it, and repeating as necessary.

I would not take it back to the smith for the problems you have cited till I had at least 500 rounds through it, preferably 1000.

As long as it is oily and wet, I would not worry about the brand of lube you are using.

TR

**Team Sergeant** · 08-09-2005, 13:11

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Originally Posted by Scotty

Hey guys, long time no see.

I recently bought a new toy and am having the same issues as I've had with my Kimbers, Colts, and Thompson 1911s.

After about 200 rds or so, the weapon starts gumming up and jamming. I've been shooting the Winchester battle packs. I might bump up to to a 240 grain round, I think Winchester's best in the the battle packs are 230.

What do you guys shoot for target/what do you do to the weapon to keep it from gumming badly?

BTW, here's my new toy. Custom built Strayer-Voigt frame, Caspian slide. Completely built from the ground up by master gunsmith Tommy Abernathy.

Scotty

Say it isn't so, a 1911 jamming?????

Who would have thunk it could happen!!!

With a little therapy you too can overcome your 1911 addiction.
(There are weapons currently on the market that do not jam like the 1911, really.

)

My .02 and worth every penny.

TS

Sacamuelas · 08-09-2005, 13:17

HaHa

I knew that was coming...

08-09-2005, 13:25

I have searched for this, and haven't found it mentioned.

Many of the cons of the 1911s have been discussed, especially in comparison with the USP. What are the pros, now that it's such a wide spread weapon? Availability and adaptability?

Martin - admittedly lacking knowledge and experience on the subject

**Team Sergeant** · 08-09-2005, 13:30

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Originally Posted by Sacamuelas

HaHa

I knew that was coming...

I cannot save everyone, but I feel its my duty to at least "get the word out".
I feel its also a double edged sword, it is not my desire to put 10,000 US gunsmiths out of work either.

jbour13 · 08-09-2005, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Martin

I have searched for this, and haven't found it mentioned.

Many of the cons of the 1911s have been discussed, especially in comparison with the USP. What are the pros, now that it's such a wide spread weapon? Availability and adaptability?

Martin - admittedly lacking knowledge and experience on the subject

I have the ten foot pole in hand and I'm reluctant to post any pro 1911 comments with TS on the look-out.

I've got a few 1911's and like them. But I prefer the unconditional reliability and function of the HK's.

Pro's, I posted a few in an earlier thread: Personalization, parts availability, and knowledgability on the platform.

TS had made the good point of needing additional funds to go towards gunsmithing that you won't need with the USP, it's good to go out of the box.

The above stated thread: http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ead.php?t=6596

Air.177 · 08-09-2005, 13:42

Are we Really doing this Again?

By all means, discuss what you choose, but please consider doing so AFTER using the Search function.

**Team Sergeant** · 08-09-2005, 13:55

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Originally Posted by jbour13

I have the ten foot pole in hand and I'm reluctant to post any pro 1911 comments with TS on the look-out.

I've got a few 1911's and like them. But I prefer the unconditional reliability and function of the HK's.

Pro's, I posted a few in an earlier thread: Personalization, parts availability, and knowledgability on the platform.

TS had made the good point of needing additional funds to go towards gunsmithing that you won't need with the USP, it's good to go out of the box.

The above stated thread: http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ead.php?t=6596

I'm not going to tear off anyones head over their personal weapons choice. If one chooses to select and utilize a weapon thats design is almost 100 years old, who am I to stand in their way?

I have a 1911 and I used to "drive" it all the time. Now it sits in a "special" place, out of harms way so it can enjoy it's remaining days out to pasture.

Please, continue your discussion while I dream about a world without stove pipe jams.

I crack myself up.

TS

08-09-2005, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Air.177

Are we Really doing this Again?

By all means, discuss what you choose, but please consider doing so AFTER using the Search function.

I have read through most of the posts that a search for 1911 turns up, 76 total. This specific aspect has not been answered other than jbour13's post in the Glock thread, as far as I can tell. I am not interested in starting a bashing contest.

With that said, I don't intend to be demanding and will not repeat the question.

Thanks, jbour13.

Scotty · 08-09-2005, 14:03

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I'm not going to tear off anyones head over their personal weapons choice. If one chooses to select and utilize a weapon thats design is almost 100 years old, who am I to stand in their way?

I have a 1911 and I used to "drive" it all the time. Now it sits in a "special" place, out of harms way so it can enjoy it's remaining days out to pasture.

Please, continue your discussion while I dream about a world without stove pipe jams.

I crack myself up.

TS

Well, my main plinker is the Glock until I can find a good deal on a decent USP Compact .45! I sold my last one (I know, I know, I've missed it every day) and I'm getting another in the next week or two.

I only use my SV for IDPA CDP competition. Glock for GSSF comp. And the USP-C will be my carry gun. I was shooting very nice groups at 25yds with that.

BTW, anyone know where I can find a decent USP .45C?

Scotty