How quick can you STOP shooting?

[G]

G'day folks

Just read an article (link below) that I think would be really interesting to all who carry in the LE & civilian world, and to instructors.


http://www.forcesciencenews.com/visuals/newdev.pdf

Enjoy

G

[The Reaper]

The article is interesting on a theoretical level.

Practically, I will shoot till the threat is no longer a threat. Since he initiated the action by presenting a situation requiring lethal force, unless I am hit and put down, I will determine when he is no longer a threat.

If I were on a jury in a shooting case, I would be pretty lenient in my interpretation of how long the officer applied deadly force, as long as he was justified in initiating it.

Essentially, if you give me a reason to kill you, why would it matter if I shot you twice or five times (as long as I was hitting the threat)?

One other thing that I did not see in the study is the inclination for people to start shooting when their fellow soldiers or officers do, and continue till everyone else stops.

TR

[HOLLiS]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

The article is interesting on a theoretical level.

Practically, I will shoot till the threat is no longer a threat. Since he initiated the action by presenting a situation requiring lethal force, unless I am hit and put down, I will determine when he is no longer a threat.

TR

I agree completely with you. We had a expression "to kill 'em dead". A dieing man is just as deadly and maybe more so.

I think this is part of the paradox of training. The best training is by doing the actual event. Obviously a live fire were trainees shoot at each other with real life repercussions would not be acceptable. Simulations at best are simulations. 1st century historian Josephus stated that effectiveness of the Roman Army was because, "The Roman Army practices were bloodless battles, and Battles were bloody practices." (quote may be off a little)

We (bush Marines) felt that in one day in the bush, we learned more about combat than all we learned state side. The behavior in combat of BNG's (Brand New Guys) and 2nd tour Marines demonstated that actual combat made a more prepared and effective combat Marine. IMHO the best training to survive combat is surviving combat itself. The problem is how to actually train people for this environment in a Peace Time setting.

Unfortunately most juries, media, and LE/military critics in the USA are generally ignorant of the problems facing a LEO and Soldier.

[Tubbs]

I personally believe that every time you get the opportunity to train you should approach it from the mentality that it is the real deal. A life or death situation.
In the end it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six...

[Scotty]

Apart from LEO, we've had a few cases here where someone inside their home confronts an intruder (armed) and ends up wounding them with a firearm. Several times in NC the intruder has sued the homeowner and WON, citing that "robbing is how I make a living and I can no longer do that because I've lost the use of my leg".

That happened to a lady near Gastonia who was decimated by the lawsuit and lost everything. Just because someone broke into HER house and she shot him.

The old LRRP guy that taught our CCW class says that it's better to go to court against a puddle on the floor rather than a living martyr. It's a shame that the criminals seem to have more rights than the victims, but if I ever have to shoot an intruder, he's not getting up.

Scotty

(edited: "citing" is spelled with a C and not an S, and because I can't seem to get my shit together this morning. I blame lack of coffee!!)

[Spartan359]

Originally Posted by Scotty

It's a shame that the victims seem to have more rights than the criminals, but if I ever have to shoot an intruder, he's not getting up.

You sure you got that right? But to answer the question.....if it twitches it needs another bullet.