07-02-2005, 08:53
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Crye Precision MultiCam
Any of you gentlemen know why the Army didn't pick this pattern? Cost maybe?
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7/20/04 (updated 11/10/04)- The small, New York-based design firm of Crye Associates was formed in 2000 and in 2001 won a contract to participate in the U.S. Army’s project ‘Scorpion’, which was the first phase of FCS (Future Combat Systems) program. Crye’s involvement in the project included a complete redesign/overhaul of the uniform and equipment worn by the combat soldier. One of the many innovative ideas/items that stemmed from that project is a new camouflage pattern. Unofficially referred to as the ‘Scorpion pattern’ until now (as it was born out of the Scorpion project), Crye is now producing it as ‘MultiCam’. Newly established Crye Precision is the manufacturing/production side of design-oriented Crye Associates, and has introduced the pattern, as well as apparel and equipment made in MultiCam. Fabrics in 1000d and 500d Cordura and 2 weights of 50/50 NYCO twill are now available.
The MultiCam pattern is a result of extensive development and testing over the past couple of years, by both Crye and the Army. It is designed to work in multiple environments (hence its name) – which include desert, woodland and urban. Although it came out on top in Army tests, the Army has decided to go with new ACU pattern which is basically a variation of the MARPAT pattern used by the USMC, with changes in colour. Why they chose grey as the overall shade, I don’t know.
Crye studied the many factors that affect camouflage, like geography, seasonal changes, varying lighting conditions, shape and form in the development of the pattern and colours.
MultiCam is comprised of six colours, (note that I'm using names that I'm most familiar with to describe the colours and that may not be entirely accurate)- a dark chocolate brown, a medium/flat earth brown, MJK khaki/green, medium green, desert pink, and a light grey (the base fabric natural colour). What makes it difficult to describe (and see) is that some of these colours are gradiated and fade into each other in some places. Another feature of MultiCam is that is does not consist of a uniformly tight pattern that repeats itself freqently. The medium shades of colour alternate in a larger pattern, so that an area will change from a predominantly green hue to a brownish one a yard down. The small blotches of grey and dark brown will sometimes cluster in one area, then be absent in another. This combination of tight pattern and larger, 'seasonal change' enables MultiCam to work both close up and from a distance away. The large changes of overall tone break up one the silhouette of the larger form while the smaller patterns blend it with the immediate environment. Crye coined the term 'macroflage' for the way the distribution of large areas of colour works. Photo (1) on the left shows 4 different swatches cut from different areas of fabric. The top left swatch is predominantly green while the bottom left one is brown. The ones on the right incorporate the smaller blotches of colour. Photos (2) and (3) show Multicam in arid (L) and woodland (R) environments
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07-02-2005, 08:55
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07-04-2005, 23:12
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It is an effective pattern which I find more effective than that of the Universal pattern. Why Big Green opted to go this route, I cannot say.... The MC is flying out of my doors, I can never keep enough for reserve.... on thing I find interesting is the degree of color/tonal variation across a swath of material.
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07-05-2005, 08:48
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It is an effective pattern which I find more effective than that of the Universal pattern. Why Big Green opted to go this route, I cannot say.... The MC is flying out of my doors, I can never keep enough for reserve.... on thing I find interesting is the degree of color/tonal variation across a swath of material.
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I think the bottom line was the cost issue.
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07-05-2005, 08:57
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I think the bottom line was the cost issue.
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More like the NIH Syndrome by Natick.
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07-05-2005, 10:56
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More like the NIH Syndrome by Natick.
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I can't help but agree - it's the only thing that would explain why we have the ACU and not the Crye system. From a (former) soldier's perspective it doesn't make sense to deprive the troops of the best system available for what appears to be partisan politics. On top of which - supposedly Crye was doing the development at the behest of the military. FWIW, I looked at the Crye "ensemble" at the SHOT Show and was very impressed. The multi-cam is nice but it's just part of the entire concept. Crye's approach was so radically different from the BDU and Natick bureaucracy solutions that I had to stretch my prejudices a bit to slow down and really look at it. It is definitely a field/combat uniform and there is a lot more to it than just the multi-cam pattern. It looked to me as though the designers/engineers actually answered (or tried to answer) some of the bitches we've all had about our uniforms and equipment. Even the body armor and LBE were novel concepts. I found them to be interesting and worth looking into - BUT - I would have to wear it in a real world environment to have an opinion worth putting forward as a recommendation. Looking good on the showroom dummy and performing well on a "live action dummy" in the field are two wildly different things.
On the other hand we have the Army's answer. After visiting the 5th Gp CoC and seeing the new Army uniform (and talking with the guys wearing it) I was NOT impressed. I'll be getting a personal take on it as soon as they get back. I figure a year in the sandbox (probably with pithy interim reports) will give the ACU a thorough shakedown. My source is not known for reticence or tact - if he has an opinion I can guarantee he will share the whole thing, completely unvarnished, without any consideration for the sacred cows involved. I'll keep everyone informed as circumstances warrant. Peregrino
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07-05-2005, 11:09
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Have to agree.
Don't like the ACU pattern, design, material, or the construction. Looks like s**t in garrison, and doesn't appear too comfortable or practical for patrolling either. Pattern is noticable in green jungle/woods and desert.
100% cotton ripstop, lots of pockets, no starching, BDU and DCU patterns. The old jungles (with pockets relocated and a VELCRO patch for a removeable fabric nameplate) were just about perfect, need an modern updated camo pattern like the Crye.
Maybe next time the soldiers will get some input rather than the CSM mafia.
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