SF Physical

[The Reaper]

SPECIAL FORCES PHYSICAL EXAM CHECKLIST

LNAME_______________ L4 SSN____________ CLASS/YG_______ STN_____

BLOCK# DD FORM 2808 PAGES 1-3 REPORT OF MEDICAL EXAMINATION


1-15b ______________ Personal / General Information
15c ______________ PURPOSE OF EXAM ( SF/ SFAS/ SFQC)
16 ______________ NAME OF EXAM LOCATION CLINIC ETC
17-44 ______________ CLINICAL EVALUATION (Any Abnormalities must be explained)
43 ______________ DENTAL (Must Be Acceptable, Class 1 or 2)
45 ______________ URINALYSIS (MUST BE < THAN 2.00 SPECIFY GRAVITY)
45a ______________ ALBUMIN (negative or trace only)
45b ______________ SUGAR (NEGATIVE ONLY)
48 ______________ BLOOD TYPE
49 ______________ HIV (NEGATIVE)
52 ______________ OTHER (SICKLE, RPR, EKG, CHEST X-RAY)
53-55 _____________ HEIGHT/ WEIGHT (If over max weight include tape test)
57 ______________ PULSE (not over 100) 58a-c ______________ BLOOD PRESSURE (MAX’s 140/90 MIN’s 90/60) If High or low need 5dy BP Check
59 ______________VIVID RED/GREEN PASS (Required if fails normal color test in item# 66)
61 ______________ FAR VISION (Must Correct to 20/20 in both eyes)
62 ______________ REFRACTION (Required if uncorrected vision is not 20/20; +or-8 diopters max)
63 ______________ NEAR VISION (Must correct to 20/20 in both eyes)
66 ______________ COLOR VISION (If fails color vision test must be able to pass Vivid Red/Green test)
71a ______________ HEARING(500-2000 Average less than 30db, 3000-45db 4000-55db)
72b ______________ VALSALVA (should be SAT OR +)
73 ______________ NOTES ( Should include here or somewhere on physical – No Fear Statement, Digital Rectal exam or Hemmocult/occult Blood, Chest Xray, EKG)
74a ______________ QUALIFIED/NOT QUALIFIED(MUST STATE SF / SFAS TRAINING)
75b ______________ PHYSICAL PROFILE AND CATEGORY (MIN 111121)
81-84a/b ______________ DOCTOR (MD) & DENTIST (DC or DDS) / Name/Signature


BLOCK DD FORM 2807 1-3 REPORT OF MEDICAL HISTORY

1-9 ______________ EXAMINEE INFORMATION
10-28 ______________ EMAMINEE HISTORY
29 ______________ALL YES ANSWERS MUST BE FULLY EXPLAINED BY EXAMINEE
30 _______________All YES ANSWERS MUST BE EXPLAINED BY PA OR DR
30b ______________ DOCTOR/PA SIGNATURE AND DATE


All Lab results should be annotated on DD 2808 – Retain copy of lab printout in Residual file but do not scan in with physical
Chest X-ray – Should be annotated on DD 2808 as Normal - Retain copy of lab printout in Residual file but do not scan in with physical
EKG/ECG – Should be annotated on DD 2808 as Normal- Retain copy of lab printout in Residual file but do not scan in with physical



Physical QC’d BY: __________________________________________________ _______
Name of Recruiter/Station Cmdr

[Sacamuelas]

Originally posted by The Reaper
SPECIAL FORCES PHYSICAL EXAM CHECKLIST
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43 ______________ DENTAL (Must Be Acceptable, Class 1 or 2)

I haven't seen this explained before in the past threads here or elsewhere. Recruits need to understand that their oral health is examined and evaluated. Here is a brief explanation of the US Army Dental classifications system. Remember that you have to be a class 1 or 2 per Reaper's information. You don't make the decision on the likelyhood for future emergencies. The Dentist will make that judgement call based on his/her experiences. Don't take any chances.

The Department of Defense Dental Classification Guideline and AR 40-35 outline the following dental fitness classifications:

Class 1-
1. Soldiers who require no dental treatment
2. Soldier has had a complete dental exam within the past year

Class 2 -
1. Soldiers whose existing dental condition is unlikely to result in a dental emergency within 12 months
2. Soldier requires some type of dental care or re-check
Examples:
A few Simple fillings
Routine Dental cleaning
Simple wisdom tooth extraction

Class 3-
1. Soldiers who require dental treatment to correct a dental condition that is likely to cause a dental emergency within 12 months.
2. Soldier requires dental care as soon as possible
3. A dental emergency is likely to occur if the condition is not corrected
Examples:
Badly decayed teeth
Severe gum disease
Root canal needed
Painful or diseased wisdom tooth

Soldier is not deployable/acceptable

Class 4-
1. Soldiers who require a dental examination or panographic radiograph (X-ray).
2. Disease status is unknown

Soldier is not deployable/acceptable



*** Remember - The health of your entire mouth, not just your teeth. The mouth includes the teeth and the gums (gingiva), ligaments, muscles and jaw bones. It also includes the tongue, the lining of the mouth and throat, salivary glands and lymph nodes.

[WholeManin2010]

Hadn't found this anywhere else here, and this seemed like the most appropriate thread...

I thought it might be useful to know that you may NOT attend SFAS with braces on your teeth . Verified this with more than one SF recruiter to be sure - the last one read through the reg while I was on the phone. None had ever been asked this question before.

Even though I am considered Class 2, I still can't go until they're off. At least I get another 12-18 months under ruck before I throw my hat into the ring.

[TimberWolf82]

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[Eagle5US]

This is more of a question of what's the right thing to do. Not being a dentist, and not being able to examine your chompers, I wouldn't be able to determine the extent of the damage to see if you would be a class 2 or class 3.

People do join the military all the time with what we call EPTS (existed prior to service) conditions and expect Uncle Sam to spend thousands of dollars to "fix it" for them.

It will eventually become an issue, even if it isn't right now, and will require repair. I would disclose it when you get to the dental exam and let them determine the best COA. It will probably be a non issue and if they determine you to be a class 3 they will fix your teeth at MEPS or during your initial processing as it is something that can be accomplished relatively quickly (as opposed to folks with multiple rotting teeth and or moderate to severe gum disease).

If they see you as a class 2, they may wait until you have at minimum completed basic training before fixing your teeth.

Good luck-

[sfrecrutr]

Originally Posted by Eagle5US

This is more of a question of what's the right thing to do. Not being a dentist, and not being able to examine your chompers, I wouldn't be able to determine the extent of the damage to see if you would be a class 2 or class 3.

People do join the military all the time with what we call EPTS (existed prior to service) conditions and expect Uncle Sam to spend thousands of dollars to "fix it" for them.

It will eventually become an issue, even if it isn't right now, and will require repair. I would disclose it when you get to the dental exam and let them determine the best COA. It will probably be a non issue and if they determine you to be a class 3 they will fix your teeth at MEPS or during your initial processing as it is something that can be accomplished relatively quickly (as opposed to folks with multiple rotting teeth and or moderate to severe gum disease).

If they see you as a class 2, they may wait until you have at minimum completed basic training before fixing your teeth.

Good luck-

Allow me to weigh in on this one. As a SF Recruiter I have seen far too many NPS show up thinking MEPS will fix the issue. Rarely does that happen. The MEPS Dr will stop your processing and send you home with a ship date some time in the future after your corrective procedure. If you get the teeth fixed prior to your trip back to MEPS you will need to provide your Recruiter with all of the documents and have a MED Read completed. The MEPS Doc will review it, determine if you are good to go or not with the procedure, then allow you to return to MEPS and ship. MEPS is not a medical facility and I have never known them to be helpful in fixing anything for a new enlistee. Get it fixed. And keep your Recruiter informed of whats happening with you. It makes life much easier.

1SG Ed

[TimberWolf82]

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[Digger25]

Originally Posted by Sacamuelas

I haven't seen this explained before in the past threads here or elsewhere. Recruits need to understand that their oral health is examined and evaluated. Here is a brief explanation of the US Army Dental classifications system. Remember that you have to be a class 1 or 2 per Reaper's information. You don't make the decision on the likelyhood for future emergencies. The Dentist will make that judgement call based on his/her experiences. Don't take any chances.

The Department of Defense Dental Classification Guideline and AR 40-35 outline the following dental fitness classifications:

Class 1-
1. Soldiers who require no dental treatment
2. Soldier has had a complete dental exam within the past year

Class 2 -
1. Soldiers whose existing dental condition is unlikely to result in a dental emergency within 12 months
2. Soldier requires some type of dental care or re-check
Examples:
A few Simple fillings
Routine Dental cleaning
Simple wisdom tooth extraction

Class 3-
1. Soldiers who require dental treatment to correct a dental condition that is likely to cause a dental emergency within 12 months.
2. Soldier requires dental care as soon as possible
3. A dental emergency is likely to occur if the condition is not corrected
Examples:
Badly decayed teeth
Severe gum disease
Root canal needed
Painful or diseased wisdom tooth

Soldier is not deployable/acceptable

Class 4-
1. Soldiers who require a dental examination or panographic radiograph (X-ray).
2. Disease status is unknown

Soldier is not deployable/acceptable



*** Remember - The health of your entire mouth, not just your teeth. The mouth includes the teeth and the gums (gingiva), ligaments, muscles and jaw bones. It also includes the tongue, the lining of the mouth and throat, salivary glands and lymph nodes.

Sir, in regards to the dental requirements, I just had all four wisdom teeth extracted along with having two implants placed in my top eye teeth (teeth 10 and 7). I ship 20111107 for BCT, and I'm scheduled to have crowns placed 2 weeks prior to that ship date. My question is, am I in the clear as far as falling into Class 2 for the SF physical? My oral surgeon and dentist say I will be completely healed by ship date, as there is no recover period after crown placement, only recover time after the implant surgery I just had. Thanks for any and all information.

[WhiskeyBoarder]

All:

I have been recommended for attendance to SFAS by the NQP program at which I participate. Unfortunately, I am encountering continued difficulty locating a location to complete my Special Forces physical exam. I live and work in D.C., and was hoping to have the exam completed at either Belvoir or Bethesda (although I am willing to commute nearly any where, if necessary). Both locations are indicating that I need to be on active duty orders (for more than 30 days) to allow them authorization to complete the exam.

Is there anyone here that may be able to provide guidance? I am hoping to hear from either someone that has completed their physical in the D.C. area, or, perhaps, someone connected to one of the bases up here that may be able to provide a helpful connection.

I hate to sound like I am requesting a shortcut. I am dedicated to this effort. I attended NQP drills during a break in service, receiving no pay, and incurring all transportation costs, so I am definitely willing to do the legwork. But it seems to me that I would not be making the most of my resources by continuing to stumble around blindly when no doubt someone participating here has encountered my same dilemma previously, or has knowledge of how it can be easily overcome.

I appreciate any help that you may be able to provide. Thank you.

[Eagle5US]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyBoarder

All:

I have been recommended for attendance to SFAS by the NQP program at which I participate. Unfortunately, I am encountering continued difficulty locating a location to complete my Special Forces physical exam. I live and work in D.C., and was hoping to have the exam completed at either Belvoir or Bethesda (although I am willing to commute nearly any where, if necessary). Both locations are indicating that I need to be on active duty orders (for more than 30 days) to allow them authorization to complete the exam.

Is there anyone here that may be able to provide guidance? I am hoping to hear from either someone that has completed their physical in the D.C. area, or, perhaps, someone connected to one of the bases up here that may be able to provide a helpful connection.

I hate to sound like I am requesting a shortcut. I am dedicated to this effort. I attended NQP drills during a break in service, receiving no pay, and incurring all transportation costs, so I am definitely willing to do the legwork. But it seems to me that I would not be making the most of my resources by continuing to stumble around blindly when no doubt someone participating here has encountered my same dilemma previously, or has knowledge of how it can be easily overcome.

I appreciate any help that you may be able to provide. Thank you.

There may be a miscommunication as you must simply complete your physical (by a current Army Flight SGN) on a single set of orders.

That is to say-

You shouldn't need to be on orders for 30 days AS LONG AS you can get your part 1 and part 2 done on the same set of orders. This means your labs, hearing, vision, dental etc all have to be accomplished (and lab results received) i.e. PART 1 on the same set of orders that you have the hands on portion of your physical PART 2. This may be what they are trying to tell you. It is not unusual for labs to take 2-3 weeks to be resulted.

Hope this helps.

[Slantwire]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyBoarder

Both locations are indicating that I need to be on active duty orders (for more than 30 days) to allow them authorization to complete the exam.

The medical facilities are required to bill someone for the time and lab costs. I've heard of three ways to handle this, but I only have first-hand experience with one.

1. If you're on AD orders for 30 days or more, you're automatically covered by AD Tricare. That's easiest for the clinic, so it's what they tell you to do. (Or at least, that's what they told me.)

2. Orders for less than 30 days give them no account to bill, unless your orders explicitly provide it. I have been told that your unit can put you on orders for one day, with whatever appropriate accounting and billing information the clinic needs; then the clinic will gladly see you and process you on that one particular day.

Note: I think this means you'll need two separate one-day orders. One for when they run all the lab tests and take samples, and another two or three weeks later when the doc does the physical exam and signs the paperwork. In between, the clinic will run labs and (theoretically) the doc will review your file so he's informed before the actual exam. This doesn't seem to fit what Eagle5US said about the same set of orders, so it may not be correct. Find out and report back, so others can benefit.

3. Schmooze the admin folks into letting you do it anyway. I can neither confirm nor deny that this works.

[WhiskeyBoarder]

Originally Posted by Slantwire

3. Schmooze the admin folks into letting you do it anyway. I can neither confirm nor deny that this works.

This is the option I am trying to work currently. However, both locations have a safeguard to prevent this effort's success: They schedule via Tricare (which brings me, full circle, to the issue of requiring orders).

I just got off the phone with the clinic in Belvoir and, no-go. But I am in touch with my NQP program and I am confident we will work something out. If it will provide an option with less hassle, I am even willing to travel to Bragg to have the exam done.

I appreciate your responses. At least now I have rationale to allow me to better understand the requirement for actve duty orders. Thank you.

[JWhistler]

73 ______________ NOTES ( Should include here or somewhere on physical – No Fear Statement...


Nobody at the hospital apparently knows about a No Fear Statement. What can I tell the doc?

[Eagle5US]

Originally Posted by JWhistler

73 ______________ NOTES ( Should include here or somewhere on physical – No Fear Statement...


Nobody at the hospital apparently knows about a No Fear Statement. What can I tell the doc?

It should state:

"I have no fear of darkness or confined spaces."

PA

[x SF med]

Originally Posted by Eagle5US

It should state:

"I have no fear of darkness or confined spaces."

PA

Oh, the guys that tried to lie about that one...... it was almost funny, sad, scary, dangerous but funny.....