Acog's and CQB

BadMuther · 03-19-2005, 13:22

I picked up a TA-31F awhile back for a smoking $500. Took it out last weekend and fell in love with it. Seems like a great all purpose sight, except.....

I practiced clearing my house with it on and definitely do not like the sight for CQB. The 4x magnification screws me up. Guess the "Bindon Aiming Concept" doesn't work as fast as it needs to on my eyes. Much prefer a Reflex/aimpoint/eotech for cqb stuff.

Xdeth on Snet recommended turning the ACOG into an OEG for CQB by covering the front lens. Not a bad idea. I've seen the mini holosights on top of acogs, but that doesn't look like my cup of tea.

I'm thinking about heading to the box (site security and limited convoy stuff) and was contemplating bringing this along. I have no idea how much close range stuff contractors do and whether or not I'd be better off with an eo tech. Just looking at my options sight wise. IMHO, for anything other then CQB Ranges this site is the shiznit.

I'm looking for input from people that have used the ACOG at CQB distances and what your experience was.

Air.177 · 03-19-2005, 13:49

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Originally Posted by BadMuther

I picked up a TA-31F awhile back for a smoking $500. Took it out last weekend and fell in love with it. Seems like a great all purpose sight, except.....

I practiced clearing my house with it on and definitely do not like the sight for CQB. The 4x magnification screws me up. Guess the "Bindon Aiming Concept" doesn't work as fast as it needs to on my eyes. Much prefer a Reflex/aimpoint/eotech for cqb stuff.

Xdeth on Snet recommended turning the ACOG into an OEG for CQB by covering the front lens. Not a bad idea. I've seen the mini holosights on top of acogs, but that doesn't look like my cup of tea.

I'm thinking about heading to the box (site security and limited convoy stuff) and was contemplating bringing this along. I have no idea how much close range stuff contractors do and whether or not I'd be better off with an eo tech. Just looking at my options sight wise. IMHO, for anything other then CQB Ranges this site is the shiznit.

I'm looking for input from people that have used the ACOG at CQB distances and what your experience was.

One of the "Game Gun" concepts that could apply here is to mount a set of pistol sights at approximately 1 o'clock on your handguard (works best on a freefloat tube) and turn the rifle counterclockwise to use the irons. I have used this system on several rifles mostly equiped with PRI or JP float tubes, but I plan to mount something similar on my rifle with the Briley Carbon fiber tube I recently acquired. That is one option anyway.

BadMuther · 03-19-2005, 13:52

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Originally Posted by Air.177

One of the "Game Gun" concepts that could apply here is to mount a set of pistol sights at approximately 1 o'clock on your handguard (works best on a freefloat tube) and turn the rifle counterclockwise to use the irons. I have used this system on several rifles mostly equiped with PRI or JP float tubes, but I plan to mount something similar on my rifle with the Briley Carbon fiber tube I recently acquired. That is one option anyway.

Thanks a friend did mention that to me.

**The Reaper** · 03-19-2005, 14:00

That scope does not lend itself to shooting well covered. That is a trick to use on the Reflex and non-magnifed optics.

For the TA-31, you should mount it out as far from the eye as eye relief will allow, maybe one notch further, practice tracking targets with both eyes open and not looking directly at the target through the optic. When you see the dot over the target, stop and focus on looking through the tube at the target and reticle. Basically, you get the reticle floating like a dot sight while scanning, and you "zoom in on it" when you stop and look at the target through the reticle. Works great for me.

Most people pick up on it with an hour or two practice. Some take longer, some never can.

If the optic does not work for you, and it is in good shape, PM me what you want for it in cash or trade.

Good luck.

TR

**Roguish Lawyer** · 03-19-2005, 14:50

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

If the optic does not work for you, and it is in good shape, PM me what you want for it in cash or trade.

Me too. I need one.

Doc · 03-19-2005, 14:48

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Originally Posted by BadMuther

I'm looking for input from people that have used the ACOG at CQB distances and what your experience was.

Personally I've never seen an ACOG system used in room clearing.

The beauty of the rail system is to place the sight system you need on the weapon at the ORP. Could you change it if you have the time and the need?

Sure.

I love the little black gun. I'm buying one of the civilian models as soon as my gunsmith gets it in.

JMO.

Good luck and be careful over there.

Doc

Archangel · 03-19-2005, 19:19

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Originally Posted by Doc

The beauty of the rail system is to place the sight system you need on the weapon at the ORP. Could you change it if you have the time and the need?

Agreed. I recommend investing in A.R.M.S. mounts so your sights will all return to zero when you switch them back & forth.

BadMuther · 03-19-2005, 19:27

Thanks for the input fellas. I'll move it fwd TR and practice what you said (If I'm underdstanding you correctly, if not I'll ask for clarification.)

It's a great sight and I by no means want to get rid of it!

NousDefions794 · 03-20-2005, 12:52

BM,

September 2004 I was fortunate enough to help test some possible additions to the SOPMOD kit for the M4. One of the items I fell in love with was a JPoint sight attached to an ACOG. It is a small red dot sight placed on top of the ACOG. It worked great for CQB and it is very small. I used it for flat range drills, moving and shooting and finally CQB runs in the house. My only gripe was that the JPoint sight is above the ACOG. Instead of a cheek to stock, I had to force myself to get a chin to stock. BUT because of this I had great peripheral view.

http://www.jprifles.com/Jpoint.shtml

Trip_Wire (RIP) · 03-20-2005, 13:40

Looks real interesting! I'd be more interested in its application to a Glock pistol, like my G 20. but it gets sort of pricy, when one adds up the sight, mount and G'smithing.

BadMuther · 03-20-2010, 10:59

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Originally Posted by NousDefions794

BM,

September 2004 I was fortunate enough to help test some possible additions to the SOPMOD kit for the M4. One of the items I fell in love with was a JPoint sight attached to an ACOG. It is a small red dot sight placed on top of the ACOG. It worked great for CQB and it is very small. I used it for flat range drills, moving and shooting and finally CQB runs in the house. My only gripe was that the JPoint sight is above the ACOG. Instead of a cheek to stock, I had to force myself to get a chin to stock. BUT because of this I had great peripheral view.

http://www.jprifles.com/Jpoint.shtml

As an update to a 5 year old thread, last year I mounted a Jpoint on top of my acog and just love it!

I'm purchasing another 4x32 acog (unsure what exact model #) for $500 and I'm hoping it's also a TA-31F!

soldierboy3502 · 08-27-2005, 22:02

Badmuther,

I used the TAO1NSN for CQB at the start of OIF. What helped was the iron sights on top. I've also used the EO Tech in the past and its perfect for CQB. Anyways, a couple of the guys at work have their own personal NSNs and they all tend to focus on that front sight on the ACOG to get the job done. Utimately, if ur getting into anything that might bring your target closer than 5 or 10 meters, then all you really have to do is point and shoot...lol. But I agree with you about your sight. ACOG is a great optic.

**The Reaper** · 08-27-2005, 22:24

SB:

Thank you for your service.

Please read the stickies and introduce yourself in the proper place before you post further.

I like the ACOG as well.

TR