03-12-2005, 06:05
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03-12-2005, 06:49
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This is only my opinion but I think there is only so much you can learn in a class room. Sometimes you just got to get out there and do it. Kinda' the Senior/Jumior/Mentor thing.
No Beret and Tab until after SERE and Language School? OK, OK maybe give them the Beret and Tab after SERE. But by the time they get to Language School they should see a little of the benifits from all the trainnng.
OK, off the soapbox now.
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03-12-2005, 07:42
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The Special Forces Medical Sergeant course however, will continue to be longer than the other specialties moving from 93 weeks to 86 weeks.
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Here's an admission; I don't know if I could make it through the new program. I've heard it's even tougher now than it ever was. Now with 7 weeks chopped off, it's got to be a smoker.
Good luck lads.
Doc
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03-12-2005, 08:03
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I've heard words about land being bought in south MS, and La for SF training. supposed to be close to the Stennis rocket center on the coast.
Anybody heard about this, or if this has something to do with the training being changed up?
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03-12-2005, 10:30
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Originally Posted by Doc
Here's an admission; I don't know if I could make it through the new program. I've heard it's even tougher now than it ever was. Now with 7 weeks chopped off, it's got to be a smoker.
Good luck lads.
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I don't doubt you would. Not for a second.
As for the changes, it is what it is. Those that make it will make it no matter what they do to the course. Looks like a move back to the tradition of RS being last. Good. Army training should end with an FTX combining all skill sets. Not sitting in a classroom listening to recordings.
I am glad they made language part of the pipeline. Language is important to establishing rapport. And rapport is key to the mission. I hope they are including culture training in the language module.
I don't really understand what they are cutting in the Delta course. But I have no doubt they will continue to graduate the finest soldiers the world has ever known.
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03-12-2005, 13:21
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
I hope they are including culture training in the language module.
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They told us they are planning on implementing an "Immersion" program for us in Language school. At somepoint you will spend time in an area key to your language. They mentioned even sending guys overseas for languages such as German. As for us Arabic students, New York or Dearborn, MI. Everything seems kind of so so at the moment but I'll keep you updated if you would be interested to know.
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03-12-2005, 13:50
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Just my opinion, but an immersion program is useless without an understanding of grammar and the basics of the language. I would do an immersion program after language school and one year of working in the AOR. It will provide a big leap in skills, after the basics are mastered.
Sink or swim doesn't work with languages, both sides learn to compensate to much just to get past the frustration.
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03-14-2005, 20:56
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Originally Posted by AmericanPride
They told us they are planning on implementing an "Immersion" program for us in Language school. At somepoint you will spend time in an area key to your language. They mentioned even sending guys overseas for languages such as German. As for us Arabic students, New York or Dearborn, MI. Everything seems kind of so so at the moment but I'll keep you updated if you would be interested to know.
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Language school has the ability of conducting immerssion into your target language provided your class is willing to put in the time to develop the plan and submit it within a reasonable time period to be approved. Of course, it will be on your nickle.
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03-12-2005, 09:42
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I am actually in the first class that is going to endure the course using the new system. The only thing they have told us for sure so far is an organizational issue. We are going to be broken down into student ODA's. Obviously us medics will not be able to stay with the same ODA through out training, but that is one thing they are trying to work out... The other three mos have been adjusted to be the same length. As I go through I would be more then happy to give a heads up on any changes to the course, as long as they don't violate OPSEC.
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03-12-2005, 10:03
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"Modularization of the pipeline will include providing a greater number of iterations for each major block of training"
Iteration: to utter or do again; repeat.
I am curious as to what this means. Possibly material being covered more than once in order to better learn it?
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03-12-2005, 10:34
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Originally Posted by ccrn
"Modularization of the pipeline will include providing a greater number of iterations for each major block of training"
Iteration: to utter or do again; repeat.
I am curious as to what this means. Possibly material being covered more than once in order to better learn it?
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Iteration is a fancy word for go 'round, class, cycle, turn. Nothing nefarious. 
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04-04-2005, 14:25
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Originally Posted by Gandhi
I am actually in the first class that is going to endure the course using the new system. The only thing they have told us for sure so far is an organizational issue. We are going to be broken down into student ODA's. Obviously us medics will not be able to stay with the same ODA through out training, but that is one thing they are trying to work out... The other three mos have been adjusted to be the same length. As I go through I would be more then happy to give a heads up on any changes to the course, as long as they don't violate OPSEC.
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I wonder about keeping the same guys on the same training ODA throughout the QC. I'm not saying it's right or wrong...
What popped into my mind was the interaction you get with all the other students. SF candidates have varied backgrounds and experiences and I think part of the collateral learning that goes on in the QC is the students learning from each other. So, with that logic, more student interaction might be a good thing...
Of course, I see the other side of the coin as well. Having the same guys on your training ODA the whole time means they will develop as a team, get a better grasp of the team mentality and other positive aspects I can't think of right now.
Anyway, my 2 cents.
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04-04-2005, 14:35
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I would rather take an ODA to Robin Sage that had been working together, even intermittently for several months rather than one tossed together for isolation.
I like the overall concept. The devil is in the details.
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04-04-2005, 18:10
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If I had to spend one more day with the "TS" and "TL" I had for RS, I would be in Leavenworth. Almost was anyway. Neither one of them made it. 
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He knows only The Cause.
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04-05-2005, 06:46
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RS and teams
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
If I had to spend one more day with the "TS" and "TL" I had for RS, I would be in Leavenworth. Almost was anyway. Neither one of them made it. |
It is better working with people you know while on an operation.
The bad part as I see it during the "Q" course is that you form friendships with people. That can carry over into the school side of things. A person could be having a hard time and really not cut out for SF but because you are "Friends" you pull him along and help him get through. He then becomes a problem on a Real Team.that the Team Sergeant has to deal with.
If a student team, as individuals, has what it takes they'll do fine in RS.
Just my two cents.
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