12-08-2004, 20:10
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Gun safety in the home
The end of the year is coming and it's time to re-open the subject of a gun in the house here. My own personnal Osamma bin Momma is just about convinced that it's a good idea since home invasions are back in vogue in central florida. There is an 11 y.o. boy in the house.
I need to balance safely securing the weapon with having it accessable. There are a ton of options out there and I need advice, please.
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12-08-2004, 20:51
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I keep my long guns locked up with individual locks through the chambers and I also have a small pistol (GunGuard) safe with a hand lock on the top of it for my H/K USP 40. The combination is input with your fingers. There is a layout that your hand lays right on and you use your fingers to punch in a combo. If the combo is input wrong 3 times the safe locks out and can only be opened with backup key. I have twin 4 yr olds and I feel very safe with using the safes I have. I have quick less than 5 second access to my pistol.
Hope that helps.
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12-08-2004, 21:16
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I keep all of my long guns and most of my handguns locked in the big safe. I keep my duty handgun in this Gun Vault which is close to my side of the bed. I have two kids at home and I have to be careful.
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12-08-2004, 21:28
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GunGuard
I also use the GunGuard and am very pleased with the balance of security and accessibility it offers. Also, don't forget to secure your ammo.
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12-08-2004, 21:51
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Important side point to this conversation...
KYO-
I know I am preaching to the choir... But some people lurking may read this and may place to much faith in these devices verses their kids minds. I will use your circumstances ONLY as an example to illustrate my point.
IMO, The #1 thing you can do to ensure safety for your 11 yr old boy is to teach him proper gun handling and safety rules. Of course, safeguard your guns however you can within reason... but if you take away the "forbidden" allure of the guns by getting them out for him and showing him the proper respect for them then he may not feel the need to "sneak" it out when you are away.
That is how I was raised. Anytime I wanted to see my dad's guns (pistols, shotguns, rifles), he got them out for me. He Cleared/checked it... handed it to me... made me clear/check it... then preached nonstop vigilance about always pointing it in a safe direction and treating it as if it was loaded. I always had access to the guns through my dad, and they weren't considered some kind of secret holy grail of adulthood to me.
Again, preaching to the choir... but worth it to comment on it I think. An 11 yr old can probably defeat most safety contraptions if he has the desire and is if given enough time. I'm not saying don't utilize safe storage techiniques, just don't forget to tackle the other side of the coin. After all, he will be going to friends houses that may not be as smart as you about their firearm storage. Better that he knows...
Hijack over...
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12-08-2004, 22:04
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Saca:
That is exactly what I have done with my kids.
You gun proof the kids, not childproof the guns.
My kids have their own .22LR Chipmunk in the safe, and can see anything I have, all they have to do is ask. They can shoot any firearm I have as well, all they have to do is ask. They know how to clear and check most firearms as well, and are pretty good shots to boot.
My son did learn at age five that a .300 Win Mag is a bit much for him to be shooting off the bench, even with Dad helping, but hey, he learned from it. Both like shooting the ARs, especially with the .22LR conversion.
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12-09-2004, 16:05
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Originally Posted by Sacamuelas
KYO-
I know I am preaching to the choir... But some people lurking may read this and may place to much faith in these devices verses their kids minds. I will use your circumstances ONLY as an example to illustrate my point.
IMO, The #1 thing you can do to ensure safety for your 11 yr old boy is to teach him proper gun handling and safety rules. Of course, safeguard your guns however you can within reason... but if you take away the "forbidden" allure of the guns by getting them out for him and showing him the proper respect for them then he may not feel the need to "sneak" it out when you are away.
That is how I was raised. Anytime I wanted to see my dad's guns (pistols, shotguns, rifles), he got them out for me. He Cleared/checked it... handed it to me... made me clear/check it... then preached nonstop vigilance about always pointing it in a safe direction and treating it as if it was loaded. I always had access to the guns through my dad, and they weren't considered some kind of secret holy grail of adulthood to me.
Again, preaching to the choir... but worth it to comment on it I think. An 11 yr old can probably defeat most safety contraptions if he has the desire and is if given enough time. I'm not saying don't utilize safe storage techiniques, just don't forget to tackle the other side of the coin. After all, he will be going to friends houses that may not be as smart as you about their firearm storage. Better that he knows...
Hijack over...
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I agree with your post 100% My four kids were handeled this way, during my 34 Years as a LEO and 30+ in the military.
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12-09-2004, 08:59
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Originally Posted by STR8SHTR
I keep all of my long guns and most of my handguns locked in the big safe. I keep my duty handgun in this Gun Vault which is close to my side of the bed. I have two kids at home and I have to be careful. |
I've been using a Gunvault for about 4 years now. It gets opened and closed about 3-5 times a day. I also keep a 1000 lb gunsafe for everything else. I'd recommend a Gunvault to anyone one with kids. I really have not yet seen a better product on the market.
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12-09-2004, 09:14
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Guns = Cleaning
Exactly as you fellows suggest, my agency actually teaches new guys to introduce the kids and guns, eliminate the mystery, and hammer the safety issue home.
I also have little kids... boys, 8 and 4, aka The Cyclone Brothers. My 8 wanted to see the guns, so I got them out and, because he is HUGE into robots, I disassembled my Gov't Model and showed him the mechanical relationships. He loved all the mechanicals, but then I tossed in the ringer "Hey buddy, as long as it's all apart, lets clean it up a little." So we did, the whole "detailed wipe" with hoppes etc. Then we oiled it, and reassembled it. By the end he was clearly getting a bit antsy. Next time, I repeated this procedure. Now, I ask him "Hey Jacky, you want to see the guns?" he's like "Uh, no dad, that's cool." I swear, if he even smells Hoppes now he would probably take off out the back door.
Momma caught his 4 yo brother stabbing a box of cereal with a butter knife recently... I'm not at all sure if there's any teaching technique for that outside of "Stop stabbing my cereal boxes! Go to your room!" (Hey, ya gotta start where they are, right?)
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12-09-2004, 11:30
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I spent literally weeks trying to buy a gunvault and finally gave up -- every Internet site on earth and every gun store in SoCal was out of stock. So I bought a different safe for my handguns. Long guns are out of kids' reach (they are only 4 and 2) with cable locks on them and ammo stored in a distant and inaccessible location, but I am getting a large long-gun safe shortly.
At what age should child gun training begin? So far, I have just told my oldest that guns are not toys and that he should never touch a gun without a grown-up's supervision and never point a gun at anybody.
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12-29-2012, 10:12
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Team Sergeant, might want to watch the video below. The safe can be rapidly accessed in short order. I am looking for something fool proof for my wife and striking out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovjvy...b2a8xQ&index=5
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I've been using a Gunvault for about 4 years now. It gets opened and closed about 3-5 times a day. I also keep a 1000 lb gunsafe for everything else. I'd recommend a Gunvault to anyone one with kids. I really have not yet seen a better product on the market.
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12-29-2012, 13:21
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Take a look at the Ft Knox Pistol box. Not completely secure but has many more features than the gunvaults.
Heavier steel, and the locking mech is much better.
https://www.ftknox.com/store/index.p...&product_id=54
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12-30-2012, 11:02
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I don't think there ia any foolproof safes out there. But I would still put a gunvault against a 5 year old any day.....  What the video fails to mention is that the kids would have to see the inside in order to have a glimmer of hope in defeating it.
I can also open my 1000 safe in about 5 seconds but it makes noise when opening. (Bolts moving.)
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03-26-2013, 20:45
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Originally Posted by STR8SHTR
I keep all of my long guns and most of my handguns locked in the big safe. I keep my duty handgun in this Gun Vault which is close to my side of the bed. I have two kids at home and I have to be careful. |
same exact setup here
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02-08-2009, 12:27
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Originally Posted by ssg mac
The best advise I can give is when I was younger than 11 my father (carrer army) took me shooting, and gave me my first weapon I was taught at that age that weapons are safe as long as they are respected and realized they are not toys.
Since I have been married I have gotten houshold 6 a number of rifles and hand guns and she knows how to use them.
So the bottom line is education, if the weapon is locked up in Ft Knox you might as well not have one.
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Hey, SSG Mac, you might want to go back and read the rules and stickies on this board before posting again. You missed a few steps.
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