China establishes 'air-defence zone' over East China Sea

[Pete]

China establishes 'air-defence zone' over East China Sea

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25062525

"China has demarcated an "air-defence identification zone" over an area of the East China Sea, covering islands that are also claimed by Japan.

China's Defence Ministry said aircraft entering the zone must obey its rules or face "emergency defensive measures"........"

&

"...Taiwan, which also claims the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands, expressed regret at the move and promised that the military would take measure to protect national security......"

[scooter]

Of all the world events in the past 20 years, this is the one most likely to result in a major war that drags the US into it.

Very, very dangerous.

[BrokenSwitch]

Sounds like China wants to draw a new "Line of Death."

Perhaps the US should remove all restrictions placed on Japan's military establishment by the treaty that ended WWII?

[frostfire]

Here we go Air-Sea Battle. Take out those 4CISR
Time to see ROI from those $$$$ F22, F35, usw

Gutes Lesen: http://www.cfr.org/world/armed-clash...ina-sea/p27883

[mojaveman]

U.S. B-52 bombers defied China's new claimed airspace by flying through it.

This I like.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...lands/3746771/U.S.

[MR2]

China Playing Wrong Hand in Territorial Dispute

China's move to enforce an air-defense zone has several countries in the region concerned. The WSJ's Deborah Kan speaks to Scott Harold of RAND Corp., a global think tank, on why China may be playing the wrong hand in its play for islands in the East China Sea.

Interesting analysis.

[MR2]

Originally Posted by scooter

Of all the world events in the past 20 years, this is the one most likely to result in a major war that drags the US into it.

Very, very dangerous.

I still agree.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by scooter

Of all the world events in the past 20 years, this is the one most likely to result in a major war that drags the US into it.

Very, very dangerous.

Not another "Mother of all Battles!!!" This is gettin' olde.

Richard

[mark46th]

Chinese society is Capitalistic, Chinese government is Communist. The communist governement still thinks they need to expand communism. Whatever the reason they believe China needs to spread its power, they are delusional. They should let the capitalists do what they do. The communists should collect their share, stay out of the way and live well. But, as we have experienced over the last 5 years in this country, a delusional idealist is a very dangerous thing...

[scooter]

Originally Posted by Richard

Not another "Mother of all Battles!!!" This is gettin' olde.

Richard

Not following you there.

[mojaveman]

The U.S. Navy's first two advanced P-8A Poseiden patrol aircraft have arrived in Japan, U.S. military officials said on Monday, helping to upgrade America's ability to hunt submarines and other vesels in seas close to China as tension in the region mounts.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-sends-submar...--finance.html

[mark46th]

Scooter- It's a reference to Sadaam's statement just before we rolled into Baghdad.

[scooter]

No no, got that..... I wasn't sure of he was drawing a direct comparison between Saddam in '91 and China today.

Saddam miscalculated on the world's reaction, and his blustering afterwards about the "Mother of all Battles" was something he couldn't back up. On a side note, I have a "Mother of All Battles Victory Medal" I acquired in Iraq, it's a nice souvenir.

China may be miscalculating, and so many wars have started from miscalculations and failed expectations of what the other guy would do in a given situation that I could never list them here. However, there hasn't been a major, large scale naval engagement since 1945. So much has changed in the technologies surrounding Naval warfare and US naval institutional practices that a major naval battle in the south china sea might not go as planned. Almost none of our current technologies that the Navy relies on have been battle proven against a near-peer competitor since their adoption. Think of WWI, when 19th century tactics were mixed with rapid fire breech loading artillery and machine guns. Bad.

I just think that the idea that we are pre-ordained to come out smiling from a scuffle with the PLN isn't a sure fire thing. How do you think a commando raid on airbases in Korea or Okinawa would look turn out? There are so many ways for this thing to escalate and get out of hand, and the Chinese military has openly talked of needing to defeat us in open battle in order for China to take its proper place on the world stage. I have seen dickheads in dresses almost wipe out prepared US military defenses. Never underestimate the other guys.

[longrange1947]

The left tends to rewrite history to their liking and thus tend to relive it by not learning the pertinent facts and avoiding the pit falls. Kinda like that saying.